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Created by: Robl88

Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Oct. 4, 2020

Published: Oct. 4, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Dermott signs his QO, he’s not arbitration eligible, there’s incentive with escrow to take a bigger deal later and it allows him to stay on the team.

It’s a pretty big haul for Hamilton, I don’t imagine he’ll come cheap. This deal could come with an agreed upon extension similar to the Muzzin trade, for both Andersen and Hamilton.

Basically the entire team is intact.

Free Agent Signings

RFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Dermott, Travis		1	$832,500
Mikheyev, Ilya		1	$1,500,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Crawford, Corey	2	$3,500,000
Grant, Derek	1	$700,000
Perry, Corey	1	$700,000

Trades

TOR

Hamilton, Dougie

Additional Details:

With an extension in place (similar to Muzzin)

CAR

Andersen, Frederik
Liljegren, Timothy
2021 1st round pick (TOR)

TOR

2020 4th round pick (DAL)

DAL

Engvall, Pierre

Buyouts

Mikhail Grabovski: $0

Retained Salary Transactions

Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
21	$81,500,000	$81,484,783	$0	$0	$15,217

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C UFA - 4	Marner, Mitchell $10,903,000$10,903,000 RW UFA - 5
Robertson, Nicholas $821,667$821,667 LW, RW RFA - 4	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 5	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 4
Johnsson, Andreas $3,400,000$3,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 3	Kerfoot, Alexander $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 3	Mikheyev, Ilya $1,500,000$1,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
Barabanov, Alexander $925,000$925,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
	Grant, Derek $700,000$700,000 LW, C UFA - 3	Perry, Corey $700,000$700,000 RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Hamilton, Dougie $5,750,000$5,750,000 RD UFA - 1	Crawford, Corey $3,500,000$3,500,000 G UFA - 2
Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD NMC UFA - 4	Dermott, Travis $832,500$832,500 LD/RD UFA - 1	Campbell, Jack $1,650,000$1,650,000 G UFA - 2
Lehtonen, Mikko $925,000$925,000 LD UFA - 1	Holl, Justin $2,000,000$2,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Marincin, Martin $700,000$700,000 LD UFA - 1

Oct. 4, 2020 at 1:15 a.m.

Breadmanhawks

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With an extension, Hamilton is extremely valuable and this doesn't do anything to convince the Hurricanes of trading him

Oct. 4, 2020 at 1:17 a.m.

etpeck

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If there was an extension in place the return to Carolina would start with Nylander and you would likely have to add. Hamilton is a Norris Level defensemen, and he received votes even while only playing half the season. Either way the cane’s priority is to sign him and id be surprised if they do not get it done

Oct. 4, 2020 at 1:17 a.m.

Hidalgo

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Don't mind that move at all and seems like fair value, but an extension being in place that is affordable for Toronto is probably a price that would make Carolina just want to keep him.

Oct. 4, 2020 at 1:17 a.m.

Isles777

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Hamilton is a top 5 D in the league - its going to take quality over quantity

Oct. 4, 2020 at 1:17 a.m.

Theozler

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Quoting: Breadmanhawks

With an extension, Hamilton is extremely valuable and this doesn't do anything to convince the Hurricanes of trading him

Was just going to say, unless he says "I will only sign with leads" canes would just sign him

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Oct. 4, 2020 at 1:18 a.m.

Robl88

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Quoting: Breadmanhawks

With an extension, Hamilton is extremely valuable and this doesn't do anything to convince the Hurricanes of trading him

The extension is made with us but it’s nothing concrete. Similar to Muzzin, it’s basically just an agreement to do a deal at a later date.

Oct. 4, 2020 at 1:20 a.m.

Robl88

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Quoting: Isles777

Hamilton is a top 5 D in the league - its going to take quality over quantity

That is quality, it’s a first, a blue chip prospect and a starting goaltender. How much more could you possibly want?

Oct. 4, 2020 at 1:23 a.m.

Robl88

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The deal could also include an extension with Andersen.

Oct. 4, 2020 at 1:24 a.m.

Isles777

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Quoting: Robl88

That is quality, it’s a first, a blue chip prospect and a starting goaltender. How much more could you possibly want?

I wouldn’t call liljeren a blue chip prospect. They would probably ask for sandin and a 1st or 2nd rd pick, similar to the mark stone trade.

Oct. 4, 2020 at 1:28 a.m.

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Hidalgo

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Quoting: Robl88

The extension is made with us but it’s nothing concrete. Similar to Muzzin, it’s basically just an agreement to do a deal at a later date.

Was this something that was in the muzzin trade, wasn't the contract extension independent of the trade itself? IIRC, part of the skepticism behind making it was that he might walk in FA.

Oct. 4, 2020 at 1:28 a.m.

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Robl88

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Quoting: Isles777

I wouldn’t call liljeren a blue chip prospect. They would probably ask for sandin and a 1st or 2nd rd pick, similar to the mark stone trade.

This package is far superior to the Brannstron + a 2nd Stone got. I don’t understand this comment. Liljegren is still a top prospect. His name getting thrown around a lot doesn’t change that.

Oct. 4, 2020 at 1:29 a.m.

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Isles777

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Quoting: Robl88

This package is far superior to the Brannstron + a 2nd Stone got. I don’t understand this comment. Liljegren is still a top prospect. His name getting thrown around a lot doesn’t change that.

I think the sens should have gotten more for stone. Arguably the best winger in the NHL.

Liljeren will be a #4 at best IMO. They’ll ask for sandin

Oct. 4, 2020 at 1:30 a.m.

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Breadmanhawks

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Quoting: Robl88

The extension is made with us but it’s nothing concrete. Similar to Muzzin, it’s basically just an agreement to do a deal at a later date.

I mean I guess, but the Hurricanes are probably not going to trade him unless there's some serious value coming back which would mean an extension would have to be in place. They are a contender and losing him for a playoff run wouldn't be worth that return.

Oct. 4, 2020 at 1:30 a.m.

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Robl88

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Quoting: Hidalgo

Was this something that was in the muzzin trade, wasn't the contract extension independent of the trade itself? IIRC, part of the skepticism behind making it was that he might walk in FA.

Yah that’s what I mean, it wasn’t anything contractually binding and thus LA couldn’t use it as leverage to demand more. I think anyway.

Oct. 4, 2020 at 1:31 a.m.

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Quoting: Robl88

The deal could also include an extension with Andersen.

Andersen left Carolina with bad blood once I doubt he would resign

Oct. 4, 2020 at 1:31 a.m.

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Breadmanhawks

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Quoting: Robl88

That is quality, it’s a first, a blue chip prospect and a starting goaltender. How much more could you possibly want?

I mean, how much would you want for your likely Norris Trophy winner if they hadn't gotten injured half way through the season?

Oct. 4, 2020 at 1:33 a.m.

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Robl88

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Quoting: Breadmanhawks

I mean, how much would you want for your likely Norris Trophy winner if they hadn't gotten injured half way through the season?

A first a player and a prospect lol. It would come down to what those individual pieces are of course. If they demand it be Sandin then I’d hope we could put real extensions in place.

Oct. 4, 2020 at 1:38 a.m.

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Breadmanhawks

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Quoting: Robl88

A first a player and a prospect lol

Ok so then Skjei, Bean, and a 1st for Matthews

Oct. 4, 2020 at 1:43 a.m.

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Robl88

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Quoting: Breadmanhawks

Ok so then Skjei, Bean, and a 1st for Matthews

If Matthews was 27 with one year left coming off bad injury (and we realistically couldn’t afford him anyway) it wouldn’t sound so ridiculous would it? That package is still worse than the one I offered though. You guys act like an extended Andersen is worthless. If we change Liljegren to Sandin are you happier?

Oct. 4, 2020 at 1:52 a.m.

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Breadmanhawks

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Quoting: Robl88

Andersen isn't that valuable. Rather go after a goalie in free agency. Also, I'm not a hurricanes fan so I don't care. Just think that Hamilton is being underrated here

Oct. 4, 2020 at 1:53 a.m.

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HurricanesMan

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*clears throat* NO

Oct. 4, 2020 at 3:37 a.m.

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Quoting: Robl88

You have to give to get. Why do leaf fans think they can just offer cast offs and depth players for other teams stars? You’re not close without a Hamilton extension.

Liljegren isn't a blue chip prospect. A pick in the 20s isn’t high value. Andersen’s value mainly resides in the fact that he’s only owed $1M in real money.

Oct. 4, 2020 at 6:38 a.m.

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Hamilton extended is closer in value to Matthews than these spare parts.... I'm not saying trade Hamilton for Matthews, but it shows you how BAD this trade is

Oct. 4, 2020 at 10:03 a.m.

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Robl88

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Edited Oct. 4, 2020 at 10:14 a.m.

Quoting: Caniac2000

Hamilton extended is closer in value to Matthews than these spare parts.... I'm not saying trade Hamilton for Matthews, but it shows you how BAD this trade is

It’s really not that bad. Trouba was traded for a far worse package than this coming off a 50 point season. And he was moved because they couldn’t afford him. Let’s stick to comparing Hamilton to players that make sense.

Oct. 4, 2020 at 10:19 a.m.

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Caniac2000

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Quoting: Robl88

This is a pile of flaming Garbage. Trouba is a pile of flaming garbage. Get Trouba. That works. Hamilton was a Norris calibre D man this year. This pile of junk does not get him. That would likely start with Nylander, 15th OA, Kerfoot and Lilly. Then you're still adding. This doesn't even start the convo for an extended Norris D man

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