Canucks give you a hard no on this deal. We don't need Loui gone that badly. There are better options.

Interesting. I view that as very similar value to the Staal trade. While Vancouver is giving up a 1st they are receiving a 2nd, and the difference between a late 1st and a mid to late 2nd is exactly huge. The conditional pick is purely because Detroit need Eriksson to at least be a warm body. Could probably drop to a 4th if he plays more than 70 games.

You do if OEL comes into the picture, There's noway the Canucks are adding OEL plus resigning both Markstrom and Toffoli as long as Eriksson is still on the team that's not even remotely realistic. Even if you can move Baertschi, Virtanen, Sutter, Stetcher and others it wont clear enough cap to afford close to $19.25M between adding OEL and resigning both Markstrom and Toffoli.

I get the point, but in reality our window to take a serious Cup run isn't for another couple of years and Loui will be gone by then. He has only $5M of actual cash to be paid to him in the next two years, and carries a cap hit of $12M for those two years. In these days of no fans, there will be cash strapped teams (ie. Florida, AZ, etc) looking to dump actual salary for Loui's differential. It would be nice to unload his contract, but not at that price.

Coming in to say the Pens trade is perfectly fine before Pens people get jammed for no reason.

And how are Pettersson, Hughes and Demko getting re-signed?
If Vancouver signs each player for 8.5 million, which would be a bargin, and has a goalie tandem getting paid 7 million (Which if it is Demko/Markstrom is a bargain) They have 66 million comitted to 13 guys. They would need to sign: 2 top 4 Dmen, 2 bottom pair Dmen, 2 top 6 wingers and 3 bottom 6 forwards. You'll also want at least 1 spare forward and 1 spare D. Even if your key players take cheap deals you are in an absolute bind that offseason dude.
Given that the Canucks are one of the teams that has cut the pay of their staff I wouldnt be assuming that they are able to spend up to the cap either.

With the Fleury trade I understand what you are doing and I do like it but I don't know if Vegas and Carolina will agree. I'm against Turris to Detroit that's 4yrs at $6M a season and the cap most likely won't raise more than $1M a season for 3 to 4 years. Detroit has a lot of cap space now but 2 or 3 years from now I'm not so sure. Will Nashville give up a 1st to move him because drafting Askarov depends on it. Even in Detroit Kerfoot is a bottom 6 player and dropping back almost 2 full rounds to obtain Kerfoot I think it's too much. I do like JPO and a 3rd for taking JJ and losing Timashov to Seattle in the expansion draft is good unless a 3rd is all it will take to send Abdelkader to Seattle.

I agree with what you are saying, there are some moves I would prefer Detroit make to bring in a bigger haul or take a lower risk.
These are deals that I would see as being achievable.
I wouldn't be too worried about Turris' contract length honestly, so long as Yzerman negotiates well his would be the only bad contract on the books after 21/22, and if he can find a bit of form as a 2/3C and get 40-50 points per year I wouldn't be too concerned. I would prefer to target Stepan from Az, but they don't really have any picks to sweeten the deal in exchange for taking him.

penguins would reject this. They will buy him out before.
1 million in cap space isn't worth all that.

Will they have the cap space? their next couple years are looking pretty tight even if they can spend to the 81.5 limit.

Been hearing you say this for at least 18 months now and it’s been known that the organization doesn’t believe in buyouts so what makes you keep pushing that idea?

I had said in the past they will try to trade him. And they did, did they not?
Blame Kessel on that one.
It is what it is. But I don't see them giving all this up of 900k in cap space on a buy out.
I think the truth is if JJ could have just held his **** together for a few games in the playoffs things would be different on the trade front. It's not like he didn't have stretches of decent play. But Sully is an idiot. Played him in 1LD and **** just spiraled down from there. Coming back after a long break did not serve him well either.
As it is now, they won't carry this many defense, and we know who the odd man out is. Be it trade or buyout. But it won't cost this much to trade. If so, they buy him out.
It's not like they will care in a few years. I don't think anyone sees this team going past 2 more years. Malkin will be going on 37, Crosby 36. They won't be caring about the small cap carry.
But if they can get something greater out of those assets at TDL, to win a cup they will do that.
And that is worth more than 900k to them.

to buy him out. Sure. no problem. it's only 900k this year. They will worry about next year next year.

You bring up no fans and “real cash.” It’s a very good point. I haven’t seen anyone else bring it up. I’d like to add to your point of “no fans”: perhaps college football allowing limited capacity crowds will be a good test for other sports. We shall see.

I agree with that. Before coming back to Detroit he never really had to deal with cap dumps so there is nothing to go back and look at to get a feel for what his trying to do.

I sure hope it works out in college football. They have the added advantage of playing outdoors, however I'd favour 20 - 25% full stadiums for hockey....kind of like watching the Florida Panthers' home games!!

It’s already been verified VAN will spend to the cap, can’t remember which insider was talking about it, think it may have been Dhaliwal.

No question VAN is not in an idea cap situation, but keep in mind in 2021-2022 VAN will have some combination of: Podkolzin, Hoglander, Lind, MacEwen, Rathbone, Rafferty and Juolevi all playing on the team on ECL’s or cheap contracts, that provides some level of flexibility.
Don’t get me wrong I think the team will likely have to rid a bad contract or two, but this team is not going to be contenders for another 2-4 years. Not much of a point in paying super high costs to move out costly pieces right now when that price will drop with one less year on the contracts, unless of course you believe you can win now.

Right, and where I am coming from is that the deal proposed above would be reasonable sufficient flexibility. It's nothing major for Vancouver to lose.

Holy hell they actually bought him out.

yeah ain't that something. 1 mil wasn't worth what they were giving up.
Simple math.

I agree I just never thought they’d do it.

yeah I think they realize there is limited time left.
This team is set to rebuild in 2 years. Malkin if he comes back it's at reduced salary. Same with Letang. They defense core is now Pettersson Marino, Maniscalco, and Dumo.
The only real question is, where do they get a center in 2 years.

I think we’re at the point where they just roll the dice in free agency in two years. They really have no resources to get anyone who is or who could develop into a top 6 center so they got just roll with it and see what happens.