Matthews > Eichel

Eichel is a better all round player than Matthews.

Bergeron and Malkin over Point and Barzal?

you can comment this all you want but the people who think matthews is better will never change their opinion and the people who think eichel is better will never change their opinion

Yes. I'm sure next season that'll change though.

never for one second has John Tavares been in the same tier of players as Evgeni Malkin...

Over their first four seasons:
---Matthews: 282gp w/ 18:40 ATOI | 158g 127a 285p |1007 shots | 15.69 Shooting% | 242 blocks | 218 giveaways | 270 takeaways | 52% faceoff win rate over 3651 draws
---------Eichel: 286gp w/ 19:50 ATOI | 101g 158a 259p | 1036 shots |9.75 Shooting% |146 blocks | 232 giveaways | 157 takeaways | 42% faceoff win rate over 3882 draws

At 5v5:
---Matthews (16-20): 282gp w/ 15:32 ATOI | 113g 77a 190p |762 shots | 14.83 Shooting% | 225 blocks | 192 giveaways | 254 takeaways | 51.6% faceoff win rate over 3370 draws
---------Eichel (15-19): 286gp w/ 15:28 ATOI | 59g 85a 144p | 735 shots | 8.03 Shooting% |134 blocks | 232 giveaways | 137 takeaways | 42% faceoff win rate over 3480 draws

Matthews is categorically better in like, basically every facet of the game

It's real easy to say that, but what if he was in Buffalo and Eichel was in Toronto? Have some common sense.

MacKinnon>Crosby

McDavid still puts up uber ridiculous numbers playing with 4th liners, as does Draisaitl, Crosby netted 100 points as a rookie on a non-playoff penguins, Ovi won the rocket richard on a non-playoff team. Even Tavares had back to back to back 30 goal 70-80 point seasons playing on hot garbage islanders teams, Stamkos had 40-60 goal seasons when Tampa didn't make the playoffs etc. etc. etc.

Good players produce, I love the excuse that because he's on a worse team he gets an excuse to be worse. He's a damn good player but Matthews has clearly shown he's simply a tier above Eichel, he's got literally double his goals at 5v5 lmao

U forgot Elias Pettersson-Aho-and Point.

I’d say:

McDavid
Crosby
MacKinnon
Draisaitl
Matthews
Eichel
Point
Pettersson
Barkov
Malkin
Aho

And then u get into Bergeron, A.Kopitar, J.Toews, Kuznetsov, Backstrom, Tavares, Brazal, Couturier, Zibanejad, Hertl, Monahan, M.Scheifele, R.Johansen mess.

Matthews and Eichel are not in the same level as Ovi, Crosby, McDavid, and Draisaitl lol if they were they'd both have 90+ point seasons.

I don't understand the point you are trying to make here, Eichel has produced 70/80+ point seasons on "hot garbage" Sabres.

Matthews and Eichel are not in the same level as Ovi, Crosby, McDavid, and Draisaitl lol if they were they'd both have 90+ point seasons.

I don't understand the point you are trying to make here, Eichel has produced 70/80+ point seasons on "hot garbage" Sabres.

Maththews and Eichel are close. Maybe the tier lower if anything. But superstar, 1st line Centers, #1, and #2 overall pick.

The point is Crosby, Ovi, etc. can carry a line if need be and still produce. As should Eichel if he’s to be considered a top Center/Forward!!

Well, ironically matthews scores more goals than all those guys, so he's at least a lot closer to them than Eichel is lol

eichel has one season in his career where he has scored more than 28 goals (24, 24, 25, 28, 36).

matthews has 4 (40, 34, 37, 47 - all in way less games mind you). even in terms of points, matthews is higher. like, i honestly dk how you can say Eichel is better than Matthews. The best case scenario for Eichel is that he'd go to a good team and be 95% as good as matthews.

matthews is better defensively, better on faceoffs, way better an even strength - like... he's just better lol

and for what its worth, matthews is 6'3" 220, Eichel is 6'2" 203. ffs he even has the size advantage lol

Switch Matthews and Drai and it’s a perfect list imo

Has Eichel not been doing that the last 3 or more years?

So in terms of offense alone, that makes Matthews a better player?

I guess Kopitar really is better than Bergeron then.

Nope. Only in Toronto.

over the last 4 years Kopitar literally has less goals than Bergeron though, IN 40 MORE GAMES. I don't understand that example lol

Also, um, yeah, when one guy gets like 25-35 goals and the other guy scores at a 45-60 goal pace every single year, while also netting 20-35 assists per year, I'll take the guy who's got better offence.

And in terms of defence, Matthews is literally so much better. He was tied with Mark Stone in takeaways this year, and among the top forwards in shot blocks while being a great faceoff guy, he was 20th in faceoff +/=, eichel was 274th lol

Yes he has!! And it shouldn’t matter your team/line if you are a top 5-10 player in the NHL. Players have scored 100 points on worse lines!! It’s why on my list he would be 6th. And that’s not a knock, I’m a big fan! Just like, I don’t believe Matthews scoring is just b/c he plays with M.Marner or Nylander. I think, he would do the same anywhere!! Same with Eichel, I think he’s a great player anywhere!! Giving him better wingers isn’t gonna majorly affect his overall production!! Maybe his team play, team numbers!! Its not gonna take him from a top 5-15 player in the world to a top 2 or 3.

Picking b/ween a 5th and 6th best Center in the world is literally splitting hairs. I have Matthews over Eichel. But if someone has Eichel over Matthews, ok, it’s not complete absurdity!! I can kind of get it.

no he isn't. Matthews is better at hits, blocking shots, takeaways and all stats that aren't offense. Pls explain

It wouldn't change because he would still be playing with Reinhart and Olofsson who are very good. Have some common sense

Not everything is about goals dude. Obviously Matthew's is a better goal scorer that doesn't make him better than Eichel when we are talking about the center position.

Kopitar has out produced Bergeron almost every year of their careers and Kopitar hasn't had top 3 wingers on his sides.

We'll see how much better Matthews is defensively when Eichel actually has defense behind him lol

The top 6 is almost a lock with MacDavid, MacKinnon, Crosby, Draisitl, Eichel and Matthews (whatever order you want to put them), followed imo by Barkov, Point, EP, Aho, and Malkin (however you want to rank them).