An Actual Good Marner Trade

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Created by: lilmike2905

Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Nov. 17, 2020

Published: Nov. 17, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Spezza/Thornton split games and Dermott rotates with any defencemen for LOAD MANAGMENT

Free Agent Signings

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Hoffman, Mike		1	$5,800,000

Trades

TOR

Bjorkstrand, Oliver
Savard, David ($2,125,000 retained)
Texier, Alexandre
2021 1st round pick (CBJ)

Additional Details:

Both Pending UFAs get extended by the leafs
Savard 4x2
Bjorkstrand 5x5
first round pick is top 5 protected

CBJ

Marner, Mitchell

TOR

2022 4th round pick (BUF)

Additional Details:

Any team for a fourth

BUF

Holl, Justin

Buyouts

Mikhail Grabovski: $0

Retained Salary Transactions

Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2021
2022
2023

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
25	$81,500,000	$78,131,741	$0	$0	$3,368,259

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C UFA - 4	Bjorkstrand, Oliver $2,500,000$2,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Hoffman, Mike $5,800,000$5,800,000 LW UFA - 1	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 5	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 4
Texier, Alexandre $897,500$897,500 LW, C, RW RFA - 1	Kerfoot, Alexander $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 3	Mikheyev, Ilya $1,645,000$1,645,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
Barabanov, Alexander $925,000$925,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Spezza, Jason $700,000$700,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Simmonds, Wayne $1,500,000$1,500,000 RW, LW NTC UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD NMC UFA - 4	Brodie, TJ $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD NMC UFA - 4	Andersen, Frederik $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 1
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Savard, David -$1,062,500-$1,062,500 RD UFA - 1	Campbell, Jack $1,650,000$1,650,000 G UFA - 2
Lehtonen, Mikko $925,000$925,000 LD UFA - 1	Bogosian, Zach $1,000,000$1,000,000 RD NTC UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Thornton, Joe $700,000$700,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 1
Dermott, Travis $874,125$874,125 LD/RD UFA - 1
Vesey, Jimmy $900,000$900,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Rosén, Calle $750,000$750,000 LD UFA - 1
Engvall, Pierre $1,250,000$1,250,000 RW, LW UFA - 2

Who Won The Trade

Nov. 17, 2020 at 3:14 p.m.

#51

Isles777

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Quoting: mhockey91

Best defensive forward in the league? Tell that to Sean couturier lmfao. Take nichuskin off the avs and they still finish top of their division. Take barzel off the islanders and they’re a lottery team

Couturier was not the best defensive forward in the league last season. He should have received the selke after the 18-19 season , not the 19-20 season.

Nov. 17, 2020 at 3:14 p.m.

#52

lilmike2905

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Quoting: Isles777

Great argument

the only way bjorkstrand will put up more then 60 points is if marner is on his line.

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Nov. 17, 2020 at 3:15 p.m.

#53

TheLeafsSeason

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Leafs easily decline. Not enough for Marner. The trade starts with Seth Jones. I'm sorry, but that's the reality.

Nov. 17, 2020 at 3:17 p.m.

#54

Isles777

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Quoting: mhockey91

Brandon Pirri also was on pace for over 30 goals. Bjorkstrand isn’t a “30 goal scorer” till he does it. And I highly doubt he’ll ever score 40

That’s a small sample size and he wasn’t consistent. Bjorkstrand has a 126 game sample size over 2 seasons scoring at a higher rate than 95% of players in the league .

Nov. 17, 2020 at 3:18 p.m.

#55

Isles777

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Quoting: lilmike2905

the only way bjorkstrand will put up more then 60 points is if marner is on his line.

The only reason Marner puts up as many points as he does is he because he plays with elite centers.

Nov. 17, 2020 at 3:19 p.m.

#56

lilmike2905

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Quoting: Isles777

That’s a small sample size and he wasn’t consistent. Bjorkstrand has a 126 game sample size over 2 seasons scoring at a higher rate than 95% of players in the league .

bro when r u gonna get it out of ur head that manner is on another lvl

Nov. 17, 2020 at 3:22 p.m.

#57

EsoYeezus69

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Quoting: yaronzo

Please for the love of everything stop posting terrible Marner trades my brain cant handle it, they just get worse and worse

I can only handle so many bait posts each day

I have an advantage for cheering for a less popular team (Dallas) but when people do a bad Heiskanen trade I lose it too

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Nov. 17, 2020 at 3:23 p.m.

#58

lilmike2905

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Quoting: Isles777

The only reason Marner puts up as many points as he does is he because he plays with elite centers.

well he's a first liner he should be playing with elite centers. if u think bjorkstrand is almost is as good as manner then I think kapanen is better then bjorkstrand

Nov. 17, 2020 at 3:41 p.m.

#59

mhockey91

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Quoting: TheLeafsSeason

Leafs easily decline. Not enough for Marner. The trade starts with Seth Jones. I'm sorry, but that's the reality.

And here’s an equally bad comment. Jones is worth more than marner. It’s the other way around. Jones starts with marner

Nov. 17, 2020 at 3:43 p.m.

#60

mhockey91

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Quoting: Isles777

Couturier was not the best defensive forward in the league last season. He should have received the selke after the 18-19 season , not the 19-20 season.

He was up there. No serious person thought nichuskin should win the Selke this year. That’s just as absurd as ZAR or Tanev or Bluegar winning the award. They’re all good bottom 6 players, but you seriously cannot compare their impact to someone like Barzel. It’s just silly. Avs would be fine without Nichuskin, Isles would not be fine without barzel

Nov. 17, 2020 at 3:44 p.m.

#61

mondo

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No Marner trade is a good Marner trade.

Nov. 17, 2020 at 3:45 p.m.

#62

mhockey91

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Quoting: Isles777

That’s a small sample size and he wasn’t consistent. Bjorkstrand has a 126 game sample size over 2 seasons scoring at a higher rate than 95% of players in the league .

It’s a hyperbole. I’m just trying to illustrate Bjorkstand isn’t an elite winger. He’s a good top 6 guy, but he’s not in the category of marner.

Nov. 17, 2020 at 3:50 p.m.

#63

Isles777

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Quoting: mhockey91

It’s a hyperbole. I’m just trying to illustrate Bjorkstand isn’t an elite winger. He’s a good top 6 guy, but he’s not in the category of marner.

If he scores at an elite rate and he’s elite defensively, he’s more than a “good top 6 guy” . If Marner and bjorkstrand switched teams , the point totals would be a lot closer.

Nov. 17, 2020 at 4:03 p.m.

#64

CD282

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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas

that's a lot of numbers for a guy who's 53 spots lower in point totals over the last 3 years and a guy who's 52 spots lower in primary assists

marner gets even better the more recent I make the charts too, I'm actually padding Bjorkstrands stats by going back further in time lol. Over 2 years Marner is 5th in points, he's 63rd, Marner is 2nd in primary assists and he's 73rd

Those lists are incorrect. Just at a glance Kucherov is 2nd in total points over the past 3 seasons, the lists above show him 7th. Marner is 19th in points over the past 3 years, not 6th as shown.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20172018&seasonTo=20192020&gameType=2&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=points,goals,assists&page=0&pageSize=50

Also Marner isn't 2nd in 1st assists, he's 5th. Wheeler is 2nd.

http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20172018&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=all&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=n&team=ALL&pos=S&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL

Nov. 17, 2020 at 4:18 p.m.

#65

mhockey91

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Quoting: Isles777

If he scores at an elite rate and he’s elite defensively, he’s more than a “good top 6 guy” . If Marner and bjorkstrand switched teams , the point totals would be a lot closer.

Bjork doesn’t score at an elite rate, idc what your analytics say. Career high 40 points and 23 goals isn’t “elite”.

Nov. 17, 2020 at 4:27 p.m.

#66

Isles777

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Quoting: mhockey91

Bjork doesn’t score at an elite rate, idc what your analytics say. Career high 40 points and 23 goals isn’t “elite”.

Goals per 60 min is not analytics. Good try though.

18-19 season : 95th percentile goals per 60 min
19-20 season : 98th percentile goals per 60 min

He scored at a higher rate than 98 percent of NHLers this season. That’s a fact

Nov. 17, 2020 at 5:32 p.m.

#67

mhockey91

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Quoting: Isles777

that doesn't mean anything considering he had 23 goals in a full year in 18-19 and 21 goals this season. Again, hes a good player, but hes nowhere near elite. Production is what matters in this league, and he produces like a 2nd line forward. Hes more closer to Mikayev than Marner

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Nov. 17, 2020 at 5:44 p.m.

#68

Isles777

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Quoting: mhockey91

It actually does mean something. Marner played 22 min per game , bjorkstrand played 18 min. You’re listing his goal totals without context. He produces like a top line forward because he scores at a higher rate than 98% percent of the league.

If Marner had 18 min ATOI, he would have less points.

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