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Created by: PGHBOB69

Team: 2020-21 Pittsburgh Penguins

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Same trade to Boston. But since ANA didn’t like the Pettersson for Rakell or Silfverberg trades. Let’s see what the Devils fans think!! I can understand ANA fans not wanting to get Pettersson back at a higher cost. Even though Sprong at that time was still a good prospect and looked like an over-pay.

And Pettersson is a completely didn’t player now. A proven top 4 LHD, on a play-off team, on a good defensive play-off team, and signed long-term to a reasonable deal. And still just 24 years old.

The Devils get Pettersson and a 5th round pick. And the Pens get Palmieri and a 3rd round pick. The Pens get a upgraded draft pick, seeing as Palmieri’s contract is expiring and Pettersson is just 24 years old and signed to a reasonable, long-term deal. And NJD will have Butcher, Ty Smith and Pettersson as LHD for the next 4-5 years if they re-sign Butcher

Again the LTIR is used for camp battles. Jankowski, E-Rod, Lafferty, and Senyshyn fight for the 4th line LW spot and the 13-14th Forward on the roster.

And next year, Senyshyn has a chance at the 4th line RW or 3rd line RW, as E-rod, Jankowski, and Palmieri contracts are expiring. And the Pens can try to re-sign those players or let them walk and get the cap room to sign Marino long term and next year’s FA class is loaded. And Poulin will 100% be ready next year and win a roster spot.

Pens sign Haula for 3C. Has to be 2.5M or less. 5M for 2 years is a good deal in the flat cap year, IMO.

Free Agent Signings

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Haula, Erik		2	$2,500,000

Trades

PIT

Senyshyn, Zach
Zboril, Jakub
2021 5th round pick (BOS)

BOS

Aston-Reese, Zach
2022 3rd round pick (PIT)

PIT

Palmieri, Kyle
2021 3rd round pick (NJD)

NJD

Pettersson, Marcus
2021 5th round pick (PIT)

Buyouts

Jack Johnson: $1,166,667

Retained Salary Transactions

Nick Bjugstad: $2,050,000 (50%)

Buried

Colton Sceviour: $125,000 ($1,200,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2021
2022
2023

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$77,381,667	$0	$850,000	$4,118,333

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Guentzel, Jake $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 4	Crosby, Sidney $8,700,000$8,700,000 C NMC UFA - 5	Palmieri, Kyle $2,325,000$2,325,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1
Zucker, Jason $5,500,000$5,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 3	Malkin, Evgeni $9,500,000$9,500,000 C NMC UFA - 2	Rust, Bryan $3,500,000$3,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
McCann, Jared $2,940,000$2,940,000 C, LW UFA - 2	Haula, Erik $2,500,000$2,500,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Kapanen, Kasperi $3,200,000$3,200,000 RW UFA - 2
	Blueger, Teddy $750,000$750,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Tanev, Brandon $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 5
Jankowski, Mark $700,000$700,000 C, LW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Dumoulin, Brian $4,100,000$4,100,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 3	Letang, Kris $7,250,000$7,250,000 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2	Jarry, Tristan $3,500,000$3,500,000 G UFA - 3
Matheson, Michael $4,875,000$4,875,000 LD UFA - 6	Marino, John $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RD UFA - 1	DeSmith, Casey $1,250,000$1,250,000 G UFA - 2
Zboril, Jakub $725,000$725,000 LD/RD UFA - 2	Ruhwedel, Chad $700,000$700,000 RD UFA - 1
	Ceci, Cody $1,250,000$1,250,000 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Riikola, Juuso $1,150,000$1,150,000 LD UFA - 2		Lafferty, Sam $750,000$750,000 RW, C, LW UFA - 2
Rodrigues, Evan $700,000$700,000 LW, C UFA - 1		Senyshyn, Zach $700,000$700,000 RW UFA - 1

Dec. 2, 2020 at 4:57 p.m.

#51

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Quoting: mhockey91

In the bubble MP still played more than Johnson, significantly more. Schultz played more than MP but that was because of PP time. MP is a bonafide top 4 D. The reporters say it, the analytics say it, I really don’t care if BCarlo25 from cap friendly disagrees with that LOL

Hahahahahahhahahahaha. bonafide top four D. That’s precious. Dude your like three years off back to back cups. Have some self respect. You’re acting like a Sabres fan or something. You don’t have to be defensive about a young d man that isn’t quite there yet.

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Dec. 2, 2020 at 4:58 p.m.

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Quoting: PGHBOB69

Not trying to prove anything bud?? Just stating facts. What did I say that wasn’t factual??

A lot of things lol

Dec. 2, 2020 at 4:59 p.m.

#53

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Edited Dec. 2, 2020 at 5:10 p.m.

Quoting: Bcarlo25

What made you think i took that personally? I just gave you the numbers for where Carlo ranked on the bruins in terms of TOI. You seemed interested.

So, lets side aside all this TOI nonsense because I don’t really feel like arguing the matter with someone who thinks a top four d can only get 16 minutes a night.

Why did the penguins get matheson?

Ohh my god, I said this 10 times. Your comments are gonna age badly my man. Pettersson/Marino will easily play 20 minutes plus next year. Last year our coach played the 3rd pairing, 2nd pairing minutes last year. and every Analyst, Beat writer, Announcers, all the fans, were screaming to play JJ and Shultz less.

This year, the 3rd pairing, Matheson/Ruthwedel, Ceci platoon will play real 3rd pairing minutes next year. 8-14 minutes a game.

19.44 minutes a game in the play-in round isn’t a top 4. 19 and a half minutes a game during the regular season is t top 4. But 20 minutes is. Crazy man. I can’t believe I’m arguing this

And teams wernt beating down our door in a flat cap year for a 34 year old Hornqvist making 5.5M per year for 3 more years. I bet they took the best deal they could get, regardless of position. Matheson is still young and fast and we needed to get faster and younger.he’s gonna play 8-15 minutes a game this year. Pettersson/Marino will play 22 minutes plus a game.

Dec. 2, 2020 at 5:03 p.m.

#54

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Quoting: Devil1122

A lot of things lol

Ohh, Murray, Kulikov and Palmieri arnt all on expiring contracts..?? And most likely Palmieri is gonna re-sign..?? With the Devils?? And be their Captain. That take is gonna age badly..lol. Devils trade Palmeiri at the trade deadline!!

Funny seems to be the only Post I “quoted” u in.

Dec. 2, 2020 at 5:21 p.m.

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Quoting: PGHBOB69

Ohh, Murray, Kulikov and Palmieri arnt all on expiring contracts. And most likely Palmieri isn’t gonna re-sign.

Funny seems to be the only Post I “quoted” u in.

Why wouldn't Palmieri resign?

Dec. 2, 2020 at 5:30 p.m.

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Edited Dec. 2, 2020 at 5:42 p.m.

Quoting: Devil1122

Why wouldn't Palmieri resign?

Articles written I read. From insiders, beat writers. Articles out there last year during the deadline. That there were already talks about him being traded. Players not liking the organization for the rumors and trade talks. Players feel like it’s more of a business then, and feel they dont owe the team anything. His expiring contract. And the devils willingness to trade good players recently for future assets. I.E., Coleman, T.Hall, Andy Greene. The devils are rebuilding; Palmieri probably isn’t in their window for a contending team.

You would know better. But, IMO, 70% chance he’s traded at deadline. If not, still 50/50 imo if he resigns. Especially if he is openly shopped around. Although the devils do have the cap space. They really won’t get priced out.

Dec. 2, 2020 at 5:39 p.m.

#57

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Quoting: PGHBOB69

So just so I have this straight: They have Dumoulin as the clear top left side D man. You allege that Pettersson is for sure the number two. So they track down a 6 year deal at 4.875 to play the third pair? Is that right or is there some mystery possibility I’ve missed.

Dec. 2, 2020 at 5:39 p.m.

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Quoting: PGHBOB69

I promise man. I’m not lying. He played 18 and a half minutes in the play-offs in 2018-19 when he was 22 years old.

1st pairing 22-25 minutes a game
2nd pairing 16-22 minutes a game
3rd pairing 8-15 minutes a game.

Again he played 19.30 minutes a game last year. 19 and a half minutes a game. 19.44, almost 20 minutes a game in the play-off round last year at 23 years old.

And our D was solid

We had Dumoulin/Letang
pettersson/Marino
J.Johnson/Shultz

I think your number are a bit off. I agree he’s a top 4D but most bottom pair d don’t play 8-15 minutes. I would say like 12-18 is more accurate and with injuries a 4/5 defencemen can play 18-20 minutes over a season. For example leafs played dermott 17 mins a game on the bottom pair.

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Dec. 2, 2020 at 5:52 p.m.

#59

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

Nope, u got it, Dumoulin/Letang, Pettersson/Marino (same as last year) and Matheson/Ruthwedel, Ceci platoon.

Again, Pettersson/Marino will play 22 minutes a game plays. 3rd pairing is already said to play 3rd pairing minutes this year. By the GM at least. We’ll see what Sully does though. But yes, Matheson/Ruthwedel,Ceci platoon will play 8-15 minutes a game. Did u read what I said in the last post about the Hornqvist trade???

Letang plays 25 minutes plus b/c of the point on the PP. but Dumoulin/Letang will play 23-25 minutes. Pettersson/Marino. 20-24 minutes, and Matheson, Ruthwedel, Ceci platoon, 8-15 minutes.

We just signed Peterson long term this season!! Again, did u not reD the last post about the Hornqvist trade. Again, I respond to everything u post.

Dec. 2, 2020 at 5:58 p.m.

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Edited Dec. 2, 2020 at 6:06 p.m.

Quoting: CeciGOAT

Please quote Bcarlo and post what normal pairing minutes are please. I tried telling him. And I played hockey all growing up and through HS and he said 19.44 minutes a night isn’t a legit top 4 pairing. But 20 plus minutes a game is..lol

And it depends on what special teams they play too. Like Dermott probably had time on the Pk and PP too.

Dec. 2, 2020 at 6:19 p.m.

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Quoting: PGHBOB69

If you think that the penguins traded for 6 years of a 4.875 million dollar d man to play the third pair, i guess i just can’t really continue this conversation. Then followed up with the playing 8-15 minutes a night. That’s like pencilling in someone for between 5 and 50 goals.

Anyway, I’m not about to discuss trigonometry with someone who is telling me 2+2=goldfish, so i wish you a good day sir.

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Dec. 2, 2020 at 6:23 p.m.

#62

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

You too bud. Did u read the comment about 4 comments ago?? From CECIgoat.

Make sure that trig teacher lets u know how big a difference b/ween 19.44( in the play-in round) and 20 minutes is. 16 seconds. And 19.33 minutes in the regular season and 20 minutes is. 27 seconds. But a huge difference. Especially in goldfish terms.

Dec. 2, 2020 at 6:26 p.m.

#63

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Easy no from Boston

Dec. 2, 2020 at 6:32 p.m.

#64

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Quoting: PGHBOB69

19:24 reg season.
18:13 play-in.

Dec. 2, 2020 at 6:34 p.m.

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Quoting: Gofnut999

Easy no from Boston

Yep good luck with Zboril and Senyshyn!! I would rather stick with ZAR. Neither Zboril or Senyshyn will never have any votes for any awards. ZAR has had Selke votes the last 2 years. Top 5 4th line forward in the NHL. Some of the best under lying stats and Analytics in the game. Did u ever watch him play or even know who he is?? Lol.

https://jfresh.substack.com/p/zach-aston-reese-has-the-best-defensive

Dec. 2, 2020 at 6:39 p.m.

#66

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

19:24 reg season.
18:13 play-in.

Ok, he played 20, 20, 18, and 18. U might need that math class..lol. I find it hard to believe that equals 18:13..lol. And that’s not even looking at the seconds.

Dec. 2, 2020 at 6:42 p.m.

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Quoting: PGHBOB69

Ok, he played 20, 20, 18, and 18. U might need that math class..lol. I find it hard to believe that equals 18:13..lol. And that’s not even looking at the seconds.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/p/pettema01.html

Not sure if you were aware, but time on ice is something that is tracked for you. You don’t have to do the math. Scroll down to playoffs. 18:13.

Dec. 2, 2020 at 6:49 p.m.

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Quoting: PGHBOB69

Ok, he played 20, 20, 18, and 18. U might need that math class..lol. I find it hard to believe that equals 18:13..lol. And that’s not even looking at the seconds.

Quoting: Bcarlo25

Ya, so are the game minutes. 20 minutes 20 mimutes, 18 minutes and 18 minutes equals 18.33..?? Sure thing. And not even with the seconds that 19 minute average.

https://puckprose.com/2020/01/28/pittsburgh-penguins-reward-marcus-pettersson-strong-play-five-year-deal/

Since being acquired in December of 2018, Kris Letang is the only Penguins blueliner to register more points than Pettersson’s 34. He has shown more offensive upside than I initially expected. It has not been often, but he has performed admirably alongside Letang on the top pair and on the second power-play unit.

I anticipated this deal would end up in the 4 million dollar range in terms of Pettersson’s annual average value. Rutherford signed Dumoulin and Olli Maatta to similar long term contracts with an average salary cap hit of just over 4 million dollars.

There is no question Pettersson is an upgrade over Maatta, and I think you could make the case that he could eventually become a better player than Dumoulin. While Dumoulin is better defensively, Pettersson provides more tangible offense. It is a great balance to have in your top four. At 23 years old, there is still plenty of room for Pettersson to grow.

Per MoneyPuck, in just under 280 minutes played together this season, the defense pair of Pettersson and John Marino have been amongst the best in the NHL. The process and results have aligned.

Dec. 2, 2020 at 7:01 p.m.

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Quoting: PGHBOB69

Ok, he played 20, 20, 18, and 18. U might need that math class..lol. I find it hard to believe that equals 18:13..lol. And that’s not even looking at the seconds.

Quoting: Bcarlo25

Ya, so are the game minutes. 20 minutes 20 mimutes, 18 minutes and 18 minutes equals 18.33..?? Sure thing. And not even with the seconds that 19 minute average.

https://puckprose.com/2020/01/28/pittsburgh-penguins-reward-marcus-pettersson-strong-play-five-year-deal/

Since being acquired in December of 2018, Kris Letang is the only Penguins blueliner to register more points than Pettersson’s 34. He has shown more offensive upside than I initially expected. It has not been often, but he has performed admirably alongside Letang on the top pair and on the second power-play unit.

I anticipated this deal would end up in the 4 million dollar range in terms of Pettersson’s annual average value. Rutherford signed Dumoulin and Olli Maatta to similar long term contracts with an average salary cap hit of just over 4 million dollars.

There is no question Pettersson is an upgrade over Maatta, and I think you could make the case that he could eventually become a better player than Dumoulin. While Dumoulin is better defensively, Pettersson provides more tangible offense. At 23 years old, there is still plenty of room for Pettersson to grow.

Per MoneyPuck, in just under 280 minutes played together this season, the defense pair of Pettersson and John Marino have been amongst the best in the NHL. The process and results have aligned

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Dec. 2, 2020 at 7:09 p.m.

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Quoting: PGHBOB69

Ya, so are the game minutes. 20 minutes 20 mimutes, 18 minutes and 18 minutes equals 18.33..?? Sure thing. And not even with the seconds that 19 minute average.

https://puckprose.com/2020/01/28/pittsburgh-penguins-reward-marcus-pettersson-strong-play-five-year-deal/

Since being acquired in December of 2018, Kris Letang is the only Penguins blueliner to register more points than Pettersson’s 34. He has shown more offensive upside than I initially expected. It has not been often, but he has performed admirably alongside Letang on the top pair and on the second power-play unit.

I anticipated this deal would end up in the 4 million dollar range in terms of Pettersson’s annual average value. Rutherford signed Dumoulin and Olli Maatta to similar long term contracts with an average salary cap hit of just over 4 million dollars.

There is no question Pettersson is an upgrade over Maatta, and I think you could make the case that he could eventually become a better player than Dumoulin. While Dumoulin is better defensively, Pettersson provides more tangible offense. At 23 years old, there is still plenty of room for Pettersson to grow.

Per MoneyPuck, in just under 280 minutes played together this season, the defense pair of Pettersson and John Marino have been amongst the best in the NHL. The process and results have aligned

18:13. Not 18:33.

Don’t like hockey reference? How about nhl.com

http://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20192020&seasonTo=20192020&gameType=3&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=timeOnIcePerGame&page=3&pageSize=50

Dec. 2, 2020 at 9:39 p.m.

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Dec. 2, 2020 at 9:41 p.m.

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Quoting: PGHBOB69

I know who he is. Don’t need more bottom 6 forwards. Zboril may have a role this year. Thanks tho

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Dec. 3, 2020 at 8:41 a.m.

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Quoting: PGHBOB69

Good luck man. You have no clue who Pettersson or ZAR are. And obviously never watched either play. Or looked at their advanced stats. ZAR is a top 5 4th line player in the NHL. He had Selke votes last year. Peterson is a proven top LHD, on a play-off team. played 20 minutes a game last year, 17 minutes the year b4 when he was only 22 years old. He has great analytics too. Just signed long-term to a reasonable deal.

Funny, Boston fans on the last deal I posted with the same deal we’re into the trade, they knew who ZAR is.

Team doesnt need more 4th liners. we have ritchie, kuraly, wagner, lindholm, etc. All set on 4th liners.
How is a guy thats played 3 years in the league "proven" as a top LHD? he played 19 minutes toi. he was literally 6th (i missed jack johnson in my previous post). dumo was hurt for a majority of the year and petterson couldnt beat out jack johnson? yet hes a "proven nhl dman" LOL whats he proven exactly? cuz he hasnt played or proven hes top anything. He looks more like a dime a dozen bottom 3 defender.

Dec. 3, 2020 at 8:43 a.m.

#74

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Quoting: mhockey91

A UFA top 6 forward for a legit top 4 young D. I’ll keep Petterson thank you very much

How can you say hes a top 4 d when he hasnt hit that role yet? Could he become that sure, but he hasnt lol. thats like saying jared mccann is a legit top 6 forward.

Dec. 3, 2020 at 8:47 a.m.

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Quoting: PGHBOB69

Ya, so are the game minutes. 20 minutes 20 mimutes, 18 minutes and 18 minutes equals 18.33..?? Sure thing. And not even with the seconds that 19 minute average.

https://puckprose.com/2020/01/28/pittsburgh-penguins-reward-marcus-pettersson-strong-play-five-year-deal/

Since being acquired in December of 2018, Kris Letang is the only Penguins blueliner to register more points than Pettersson’s 34. He has shown more offensive upside than I initially expected. It has not been often, but he has performed admirably alongside Letang on the top pair and on the second power-play unit.

I anticipated this deal would end up in the 4 million dollar range in terms of Pettersson’s annual average value. Rutherford signed Dumoulin and Olli Maatta to similar long term contracts with an average salary cap hit of just over 4 million dollars.

There is no question Pettersson is an upgrade over Maatta, and I think you could make the case that he could eventually become a better player than Dumoulin. While Dumoulin is better defensively, Pettersson provides more tangible offense. At 23 years old, there is still plenty of room for Pettersson to grow.

Per MoneyPuck, in just under 280 minutes played together this season, the defense pair of Pettersson and John Marino have been amongst the best in the NHL. The process and results have aligned

excuse me what year did marcus pettersson get 34 points in the nhl? am i missing something?

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