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You Leafs Fans Dont Understand

Created by: Pond_Duck
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 8, 2020
Published: Dec. 9, 2020
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I see leafs fans posting saying that the cap trouble that they have gotten in is the fault of people like Nylander or Kerfoot or even Anderson, and really it is the fact that you are paying Tavares especially 11 million per to be a second line center. Imagine without Tavares you could have repleaced him with better depth and someone like Kadri, it would look like this. (I know leafs fans will not be happy so feel free to roast me in the comments) Also let me know if you think this team is better than the one with Tavares.
Free Agent Signings
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1$5,000,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Miller, K'Andre
  2. Zibanejad, Mika
  3. 2021 1st round pick (NYR)
  4. 2022 2nd round pick (NYR)
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2021
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2022
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2023
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22$81,500,000$80,321,408$0$300,000$1,178,592
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 5
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 4
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$1,645,000$1,645,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 3
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
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$821,667$821,667
LW, RW
RFA - 4
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$700,000$700,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
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UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
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UFA - 4
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
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UFA - 1
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
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$874,125$874,125
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$300,000$300K)
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RFA - 3
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$700,000$700,000
C, RW
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Dec. 9, 2020 at 1:30 p.m.
#51
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Quoting: DartGuy86
Came here to say this. That money would not have sat idle. It would have been spent and we would likely be cursing about who they spent it on rn.


Yup, would have been bozak and jvr... yikes!
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Dec. 9, 2020 at 1:31 p.m.
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Signing players is a mistake because you could take that money and sign players???? Hmmm

I’m fine with the defence the leafs have now. 9 nhl ready Dmen battling for 6 spots. Top 4 of Rielly, Brodie,muzzin,Holl. Much better than signing a 31 year old petro for another 7 years at 9-10m.Not that it matters, the leafs wouldn’t have 11m right now they would have jvr and bozak. Two players considered cap dumps at the moment.


don't mix words here. all i'm saying is that JT was the shiny new toy Toronto didn't need, they wanted him - big difference.
having 50% of the cap tied up in 4 forwards doesn't seem like a successful model.

i just asked the question, wonder what TML would look like today had they not signed JT? the response is that having him is much better than a 31 year old AP - is that true?
also, free agency isn't the only way to sure up a bad blueline - picks and prospects work just as well.

but whatever - congrats on the regular season title, better hope a cup comes in the next 4 years or that team will get burned to the ground...
Dec. 9, 2020 at 2:05 p.m.
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Quoting: Mike_Gartner
don't mix words here. all i'm saying is that JT was the shiny new toy Toronto didn't need, they wanted him - big difference.
having 50% of the cap tied up in 4 forwards doesn't seem like a successful model.

i just asked the question, wonder what TML would look like today had they not signed JT? the response is that having him is much better than a 31 year old AP - is that true?
also, free agency isn't the only way to sure up a bad blueline - picks and prospects work just as well.

but whatever - congrats on the regular season title, better hope a cup comes in the next 4 years or that team will get burned to the ground...


Again... they would have jvr and bozak. Leafs spend to the cap every season and when Petro came up in a flat cap they would have been in the same boat.

The idea that you trade and give up assets rather then just sign a player like JT who was willing to take 2m less to come play here just makes no sense to me. He’s been nothing but great for the leafs. Everything seems to have worked out well. Leafs come into the season with scoring, puck possession, leadership, a solid top 4 and tons of depth on forward defence and in net. What’s not to like?
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Dec. 9, 2020 at 2:49 p.m.
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Again... they would have jvr and bozak. Leafs spend to the cap every season and when Petro came up in a flat cap they would have been in the same boat.

The idea that you trade and give up assets rather then just sign a player like JT who was willing to take 2m less to come play here just makes no sense to me. He’s been nothing but great for the leafs. Everything seems to have worked out well. Leafs come into the season with scoring, puck possession, leadership, a solid top 4 and tons of depth on forward defence and in net. What’s not to like?


2 seasons - 2 first round playoff bounces. same result as when he wasn't on the team. seems to be working really well so far...
this is not an attack on JT as a player - he is top tier.
this is an attack on Toronto's strategy in expediting a successful rebuild and handcuffing the teams flexibility.
Dec. 9, 2020 at 3:51 p.m.
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Quoting: sensibleguy
Although I agree with you that Hoffman is one dimensional, it isn't PP, it's scoring. Hoffman has played in every FLA game over the last two seasons, and has 65 goals in 151 games, and would have easily passed the 30 goal mark if the season hadn't been cut short.

Of those 65 goals, 28 were PP goals, and 37 were even strength goals. 37 EV goals in 151 games can be prorated to 40.2 goals, so he's basically a 20 goal scorer before stepping on the ice for the PP. He's fast, can cut back well after carrying the puck into the offensive zone, which he does often, and has a wicked shot.

I wouldn't want him on my team either, but it's not for his lack of on ice skills.


I guess he is a good goal scorer but I'd still rather take Hall. That guy can generate offence on his own like Tavares.
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Dec. 9, 2020 at 7:32 p.m.
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Wouldn't claim Tavares off waivers with his contract.
Dec. 11, 2020 at 4:24 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
No offence, but Mika isn’t anywhere near Tavares‘ level as a player. Only decency bias will favour Mika because of Tavares’ down year but Tavares averaged 35 goals and 78 points every 82 games for the Islanders. Considering he played with weak linemates like Moulson & Okposo, that is extremely impressive. Zibanejad hasn’t played with elite wingers either but his career average is 60 points per 82 games. Tell me who’s better?


In a vacuum i dont think anyone is arguing that Tavares is worse than Mika or that Mika is better. But at this moment Tavares is 3 years older and 2X+ Mika cap for next two seasons. So yea, I wouldnt trade Mika Tavares 1-1 today. Its a player upgrade but not worth the cap increase and age increase. And if Mika comes in at 8.5-9.5m on his next deal, I pick Mika moving forward. Let alone adding a 1, a 2 and an A prospect like K'Andre, who probably becomes the best or at least top3 prospect in the TML system.
 
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