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Pens prospect pyramid hint its awful

Created by: mhockey91
Initial Creation Date: Dec 17, 2020
Published: Dec 17, 2020 at 5:03
Team: 2020-21 Pittsburgh Penguins
Team Explanation
LW: elite guys (hint we have none)
C: projects as top 6 / Top 4 guys
RW: projects as middle 6 / bottom pairing guys

LHD: maybe could be something decent
RHD: probably not NHL
Buyouts
  • Jack Johnson: $1,166,667
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Nick Bjugstad: $2,050,000 (50%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
PIT
PIT
PIT
WSH
ANA
2022
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
2023
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
25$81,500,000$24,013,748$0$2,185,000$57,486,252
Left WingCenterRight Wing
PIT
Poulin, Samuel
$894,167
LW, RW
RFA - 3
PIT
Légaré, Nathan
$795,000
RW
RFA - 3
PIT
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
$863,333
LD
RFA - 2
PIT
Maniscalco, Joshua
$853,333
RD
RFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
PIT
O'Connor, Drew
$925,000
LW
RFA - 2
PIT
Björkqvist, Kasper
$792,500
LW
RFA - 1
PIT
Blomqvist, Joel
$900,000
G
RFA
PIT
Lee, Cameron
$925,000
LD
RFA - 2
PIT
Reilly, Will
$806,250
RD
RFA - 2
PIT
Clang, Calle
$900,000
G
RFA
PIT
Almeida, Justin
$809,166
C, LW
RFA - 2
PIT
Angello, Anthony
$725,000
C
RFA - 2
PIT
Bellerive, Jordy
$733,333
C
RFA - 2
PIT
Drozg, Jan
$809,166
LW, RW
RFA - 2
PIT
Lindgren, Jesper
$775,833
RD
RFA - 1
PIT
Yoder, Chase
$900,000
C
RFA
PIT
Puustinen, Valtteri
$900,000
LW
RFA
PIT
Caulfield, Judd
$900,000
C
RFA
PIT
Gruden, Jonathan
$788,333
LW
RFA - 3
PIT
Miletic, Sam
$700,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
PIT
Zohorna, Radim
$792,500
LW, RW
RFA - 1
PIT
Currie, Josh
$700,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
PIT
Almari, Niclas
$809,167
LD
RFA - 2
PIT
Svejkovsky, Lukas
$900,000
C
RFA
PIT
Bengtsson, Lukas
$900,000
D
RFA
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
PIT
Riikola, Juuso
$1,150,000
LD
UFA - 2
PIT
Malkin, Evgeni
$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
PIT
Guentzel, Jake
$6,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
PIT
Tanev, Brandon
$3,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 5
PIT
Zucker, Jason
$5,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 3
PIT
Blueger, Teddy
$750,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
PIT
Crosby, Sidney
$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
PIT
Rust, Bryan
$3,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
PIT
Aston-Reese, Zach
$1,000,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
PIT
McCann, Jared
$2,940,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
PIT
Jankowski, Mark
$700,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
PIT
Lafferty, Sam
$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
PIT
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 2
PIT
Sceviour, Colton
$1,200,000
RW
UFA - 1
PIT
Jarry, Tristan
$3,500,000
G
UFA - 3
PIT
Matheson, Michael
$4,875,000
LD
UFA - 6
PIT
DeSmith, Casey
$1,250,000
G
UFA - 2
PIT
Letang, Kris
$7,250,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
PIT
Ceci, Cody
$1,250,000
RD
UFA - 1
PIT
Marino, John
$925,000
RD
UFA - 1
PIT
Dumoulin, Brian
$4,100,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
PIT
Pettersson, Marcus
$4,025,175
LD
UFA - 5
PIT
Ruhwedel, Chad
$700,000
RD
UFA - 1
PIT
Rodrigues, Evan
$700,000
RW, C
UFA - 1

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Dec 17, 2020 at 5:07
#1
Pens were the best
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That's the cost of being the best team of the salary cap era.
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Dec 17, 2020 at 5:12
#2
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really undervaluing Maniscalco and OConnor.
OConnor has torn it up everywhere he has gone.
And Maniscalco put up almost a point per game as a defenseman in the NCAA. That's a hard task for even a forward to do because of the competition level. For a defenseman that's really good.
Hell Makar who is a looking like a great defenseman only put up 1.2 roughly. So to say a guy who basically put up .9 ppg at the NCAA level is a "might turn into something" is a bit absurd.
He has the size and tools to be a solid 2RD at the NHL level.
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Dec 17, 2020 at 5:18
#3
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Think Blomqvist will turn into a pretty solid G.
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Dec 17, 2020 at 5:21
#4
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Quoting: pharrow
really undervaluing Maniscalco and OConnor.
OConnor has torn it up everywhere he has gone.
And Maniscalco put up almost a point per game as a defenseman in the NCAA. That's a hard task for even a forward to do because of the competition level. For a defenseman that's really good.
Hell Makar who is a looking like a great defenseman only put up 1.2 roughly. So to say a guy who basically put up .9 ppg at the NCAA level is a "might turn into something" is a bit absurd.
He has the size and tools to be a solid 2RD at the NHL level.


I debated between putting Maniscalco in the tier with Nathan Legare but I figured people would give me heat on it and I didn’t wanna start that argument but yeah I agree he could potentially be a pretty impactful NHL player
Dec 17, 2020 at 5:22
#5
Thread Starter
Thank You GMJR
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Quoting: Lights
Think Blomqvist will turn into a pretty solid G.


I still don’t love that pick. Goalies take so long to develop, even if he turns into a vezina caliber goalie (which 90% chance won’t happen), it’s not like he’ll ever be impactful with Crosby/ Malkin
Dec 17, 2020 at 5:37
#6
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Quoting: pharrow
really undervaluing Maniscalco and OConnor.
OConnor has torn it up everywhere he has gone.
And Maniscalco put up almost a point per game as a defenseman in the NCAA. That's a hard task for even a forward to do because of the competition level. For a defenseman that's really good.
Hell Makar who is a looking like a great defenseman only put up 1.2 roughly. So to say a guy who basically put up .9 ppg at the NCAA level is a "might turn into something" is a bit absurd.
He has the size and tools to be a solid 2RD at the NHL level.


O Connor is really nothing special. A senior scoring a point per game in college is common. They hardly ever amount to anything. O Connor wouldn`t even be on the radar on other teams but because Pens pool is so dry his potential is inflated.

Same with Maniscalco. I think he may have an outside chance to play decently in the NHL. But again, he was 21 years old. Makar did what he did at 18/19.

The Pens don`t have a single prospect who should excite anyone. I`m a fan of Poulin but its unlikely he is a top 6 forward if we are being honest. At least as a driving force. He could be a top 6 F with Crosby, Crosby makes AHL players top 6 forwards. So Poulin could put up points but once Crosby is gone don`t expect him to become a star - at all.

Same with POJ. Nothing spectacular.
Dec 17, 2020 at 5:41
#7
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Quoting: Eddy
O Connor is really nothing special. A senior scoring a point per game in college is common. They hardly ever amount to anything. O Connor wouldn`t even be on the radar on other teams but because Pens pool is so dry his potential is inflated.

Same with Maniscalco. I think he may have an outside chance to play decently in the NHL. But again, he was 21 years old. Makar did what he did at 18/19.

The Pens don`t have a single prospect who should excite anyone. I`m a fan of Poulin but its unlikely he is a top 6 forward if we are being honest. At least as a driving force. He could be a top 6 F with Crosby, Crosby makes AHL players top 6 forwards. So Poulin could put up points but once Crosby is gone don`t expect him to become a star - at all.

Same with POJ. Nothing spectacular.


No one is expecting Poulin to be a star but 50-60 points is very reasonable considering his success in the Q and based off prospect rankings. POJ needs to put on some more weight but I think he could be a really solid steady puck moving D. He’s the kind of guy who needs more time similar to Dumo. Dumo was drafted in 2009 and didn’t make an impact till 2015/16
Dec 17, 2020 at 5:44
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Quoting: Eddy
O Connor is really nothing special. A senior scoring a point per game in college is common. They hardly ever amount to anything. O Connor wouldn`t even be on the radar on other teams but because Pens pool is so dry his potential is inflated.

Same with Maniscalco. I think he may have an outside chance to play decently in the NHL. But again, he was 21 years old. Makar did what he did at 18/19.

The Pens don`t have a single prospect who should excite anyone. I`m a fan of Poulin but its unlikely he is a top 6 forward if we are being honest. At least as a driving force. He could be a top 6 F with Crosby, Crosby makes AHL players top 6 forwards. So Poulin could put up points but once Crosby is gone don`t expect him to become a star - at all.

Same with POJ. Nothing spectacular.


Maniscalco did what he did at 20 (the same age Makar did it in the NCAA). and again. defensemen don't score a point per game at the NCAA level. And while there are some seniors who do uptick there scoring you can look at younger guys like Iafallo who didn't do anything in those years. I don't even know why you bring up "seniors" none of these guys were seniors at the NCAA level. They played two years. And the production for 2 years for Maniscalco was great. Which explains why he was highly coveted by teams.
I will stick by my claim here. 2nd year players in the NCAA don't rack up a point per game. Far less. In a league where players tend to be older, mature, and much better competition.
The point on OConnor isn't based on just his NCAA play either. He is tearing it up in europe right now. Again, playing with adults not 16-17 year olds on teams. He's played well everywhere he's gone. He's not a guy anyone should sleep on.
Dec 17, 2020 at 6:16
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Quoting: pharrow
Maniscalco did what he did at 20 (the same age Makar did it in the NCAA). and again. defensemen don't score a point per game at the NCAA level. And while there are some seniors who do uptick there scoring you can look at younger guys like Iafallo who didn't do anything in those years. I don't even know why you bring up "seniors" none of these guys were seniors at the NCAA level. They played two years. And the production for 2 years for Maniscalco was great. Which explains why he was highly coveted by teams.
I will stick by my claim here. 2nd year players in the NCAA don't rack up a point per game. Far less. In a league where players tend to be older, mature, and much better competition.
The point on OConnor isn't based on just his NCAA play either. He is tearing it up in europe right now. Again, playing with adults not 16-17 year olds on teams. He's played well everywhere he's gone. He's not a guy anyone should sleep on.


Feel free to be excited about your own prospect. Nothing wrong with that. I just caution you on expectations. It sounds like you think if he becomes a role player...that he's failed and that would frankly be a win.

A .9ppg rate is indeed pretty decent clip, but It's not like he's alone there. There are other guys that haven't been drafted right along side him and he wasn't even the highest scoring Dman on ASU. Ryan Shea scored at a higher rate and the Blackhawks didn't even offering him an AHL contract so he signed with the Stars. You're right that he was 21 and it's even better than he chose to leave ASU. I love ASU...also used to live there, but he's outgrown that team. ASU's schedule isn't really hard because they don't belong to a conference and then have to agree to travel schedules with teams.
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Dec 17, 2020 at 6:59
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
That's the cost of being the best team of the salary cap era.



You can still pick good if you are.. this clearly isn’t. Look at Vegas for example.. they are really good and they have had good picks.
Dec 17, 2020 at 7:07
#11
Hockey IQ
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I have one coming.....lol already had it done......hopefull it's not awful lol
Dec 17, 2020 at 7:10
#12
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Thank You GMJR
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Quoting: Nhl_oilers
You can still pick good if you are.. this clearly isn’t. Look at Vegas for example.. they are really good and they have had good picks.


And how many cups do they have? It’s not an issue of pens drafting per say, it’s more of Pittsburgh trading away futures to contend. Pens have drafted Murray/Jake/Jarry/Rust/maatta/ bluegar who have all played key roles for their team.
Dec 17, 2020 at 7:14
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Quoting: exo2769
Feel free to be excited about your own prospect. Nothing wrong with that. I just caution you on expectations. It sounds like you think if he becomes a role player...that he's failed and that would frankly be a win.

A .9ppg rate is indeed pretty decent clip, but It's not like he's alone there. There are other guys that haven't been drafted right along side him and he wasn't even the highest scoring Dman on ASU. Ryan Shea scored at a higher rate and the Blackhawks didn't even offering him an AHL contract so he signed with the Stars. You're right that he was 21 and it's even better than he chose to leave ASU. I love ASU...also used to live there, but he's outgrown that team. ASU's schedule isn't really hard because they don't belong to a conference and then have to agree to travel schedules with teams.


I don't expect to much from OConnor. His ceiling is 3rd line, I realize that. But he could nitch out a NHL career there aka 500+ games.
As for Maniscalco I think 2nd pairing on his is a fair expectation. If it's 3rd pairing ok, but it's not like I think he's going to be a 1RD. I don't.
I just think when everyone throws the penguins prospects under a bus and say there is nothing there, that it sells some of what they do have short. They are known for finding guys out the NCAA who end up being decent players. No none of them are going to be superstars, but that isn't really the point. They need role players as do all teams.
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Dec 17, 2020 at 11:41
#14
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I mean, I think every NHL fan would take back to back titles over having not good prospects
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Dec 18, 2020 at 12:02
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Quoting: pandemic_p
I mean, I think every NHL fan would take back to back titles over having not good prospects


Exactly lol. The whole point of having good prospects is so that you DO win cups.
Dec 18, 2020 at 1:10
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Quoting: mhockey91
No one is expecting Poulin to be a star but 50-60 points is very reasonable considering his success in the Q and based off prospect rankings. POJ needs to put on some more weight but I think he could be a really solid steady puck moving D. He’s the kind of guy who needs more time similar to Dumo. Dumo was drafted in 2009 and didn’t make an impact till 2015/16


I hope Poulin can be that guy. I just think that he is only going to be that guy on Sids line and not as the main piece on his own line. I think he would be a useful player anywhere in the lineup though. Even i he amounts to nothing more than a third liner then I still think he would be nice piece.

POJ is difficult. Dumo was a great success story. I hope POJ can do the same but I don`t think he will ever get to Dumos level. Encouraging to see him getting hyped up from a size standpoint though.
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Dec 18, 2020 at 2:05
#17
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I think Bjorkqvist and Puustinen need promoted one notch each. Other than that great list. Interesting idea.
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Dec 18, 2020 at 7:51
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Quoting: mhockey91
I still don’t love that pick. Goalies take so long to develop, even if he turns into a vezina caliber goalie (which 90% chance won’t happen), it’s not like he’ll ever be impactful with Crosby/ Malkin


Yeah I see what you mean, but you never really know how Jarry will turn out in a few years and what not (even though I'm high on him), and having a starter level G on an ELC is always nice.
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Dec 18, 2020 at 9:07
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Quoting: Lights
Yeah I see what you mean, but you never really know how Jarry will turn out in a few years and what not (even though I'm high on him), and having a starter level G on an ELC is always nice.


I wouldn’t be shocked if we trade him just like every other prospect tears of joy
 
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