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Seattle Expansion question

Created by: treemos27
Initial Creation Date: Feb 5, 2021
Published: Feb 5 at 1:41
Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
Do players like Zach Hyman or Freddy Andersen need to be protected if they are re-signed or are they excempt??
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Hyman, Zach6$4,000,000
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2023
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
16$81,500,000$73,579,783$0$400,000$7,920,217
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$4,000,000
LW, RW
UFA
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
UFA - 3
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 4
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$1,645,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
$821,667
LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
TOR
Anderson, Joey
$750,000
RW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Brodie, TJ
$5,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
$863,333
RD
RFA - 1
Taxi Squad
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$1,250,000 ($125,000)
LW, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Brooks, Adam
$725,000 ($0)
C
RFA - 1

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Feb 5 at 1:45
#1
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Yes, if Hyman signs an extension and Toronto doesn't protect him, Seattle can take him and the extension just kicks in for them

I believe, if I remember from last expansion:

if they don't extend him, Seattle can still pick him,
they would have sole negotiating rights with him until free-agency begins
and if he doesn't sign, (this is the part I am uncertain on) he is still unable to sign with Toronto for 1 year
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Feb 5 at 1:45
#2
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if a UFA is selected like Hyman, they still remain a UFA I think and Seattle wouldn't have their rights. That means that we can still sign them even if they are selected.
Feb 5 at 1:45
#3
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Quoting: Shifttee
Yes, if Hyman signs an extension and Toronto doesn't protect him, Seattle can take him and the extension just kicks in for them


true but we may wait to extend him after the draft, with a deal in place but not official
Feb 5 at 1:48
#4
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Quoting: Ryancnbb
if a UFA is selected like Hyman, they still remain a UFA I think and Seattle wouldn't have their rights. That means that we can still sign them even if they are selected.


Seattle would hold there rights until the first day of Free Agency. This is 1 week after the Expansion Draft. Seattle would be able to negotiate a new contract before that happens and if they are unable to do so, that player would be a UFA and free to sign wherever.
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Feb 5 at 1:49
#5
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To the best of my knowledge, pending UFA's need to be protected to 100% guarantee they don't get taken; they are not exempt. Leading up to the expansion draft there is a short period of time where Seattle can negotiate with unprotected pending UFA's. If they can come to a contract agreement in that window, that player becomes their selection from that respective team, if not then obviously they wouldn't waste a pick on someone who's rights they are about to lose.
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Feb 5 at 1:50
#6
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Quoting: Rooney
Seattle would hold there rights until the first day of Free Agency. This is 1 week after the Expansion Draft. Seattle would be able to negotiate a new contract before that happens and if they are unable to do so, that player would be a UFA and free to sign wherever.


right. but that doesn't mean that Hyman won't be able to negotiate a deal w the leafs first.
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Feb 5 at 1:56
#7
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Quoting: Ryancnbb
if a UFA is selected like Hyman, they still remain a UFA I think and Seattle wouldn't have their rights. That means that we can still sign them even if they are selected.


Quoting: Rooney
Seattle would hold there rights until the first day of Free Agency. This is 1 week after the Expansion Draft. Seattle would be able to negotiate a new contract before that happens and if they are unable to do so, that player would be a UFA and free to sign wherever.


Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
To the best of my knowledge, pending UFA's need to be protected to 100% guarantee they don't get taken; they are not exempt. Leading up to the expansion draft there is a short period of time where Seattle can negotiate with unprotected pending UFA's. If they can come to a contract agreement in that window, that player becomes their selection from that respective team, if not then obviously they wouldn't waste a pick on someone who's rights they are about to lose.


So in theory, could the Leafs leave Hyman unprotected and if Seattle selected him Hyman could simply refuse to sign with them and then sign a deal with the Leafs again once free agency started?
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Feb 5 at 2:02
#8
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Quoting: treemos27
So in theory, could the Leafs leave Hyman unprotected and if Seattle selected him Hyman could simply refuse to sign with them and then sign a deal with the Leafs again once free agency started?


In theory, yes, I think so, but Seattle obviously wouldn't select Hyman unless he signed a contract with them in the negotiation period. They'd just take another player.
Feb 5 at 2:53
#9
In Pridham we trust
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Quoting: Shifttee
Yes, if Hyman signs an extension and Toronto doesn't protect him, Seattle can take him and the extension just kicks in for them

I believe, if I remember from last expansion:

if they don't extend him, Seattle can still pick him,
they would have sole negotiating rights with him until free-agency begins
and if he doesn't sign, (this is the part I am uncertain on) he is still unable to sign with Toronto for 1 year


There is no 1 year rule. If a player is a UFA they are free to sign anywhere they want.
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Feb 5 at 3:31
#10
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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
In theory, yes, I think so, but Seattle obviously wouldn't select Hyman unless he signed a contract with them in the negotiation period. They'd just take another player.


My ultimate point is that perhaps the Leafs should protect 8 skaters instead of 7F/3D so they can keep Holl.

Matthews
Marner
Tavares
Nylander

Rielly
Muzzin
Brodie
Holl

Hyman says he won't sign with Seattle and they don't pick him, or they do pick him and Hyman doesn't sign and Leafs sign him afterwards
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Feb 5 at 4:05
#11
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Quoting: treemos27
My ultimate point is that perhaps the Leafs should protect 8 skaters instead of 7F/3D so they can keep Holl.

Matthews
Marner
Tavares
Nylander

Rielly
Muzzin
Brodie
Holl

Hyman says he won't sign with Seattle and they don't pick him, or they do pick him and Hyman doesn't sign and Leafs sign him afterwards


Yes, that's a legitimate thing that can happen, and I expect probably will. Seattle picking Hyman with no contract, however, is not going to happen if Ron Francis possesses any form of competence.
Feb 5 at 4:08
#12
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Quoting: treemos27
My ultimate point is that perhaps the Leafs should protect 8 skaters instead of 7F/3D so they can keep Holl.

Matthews
Marner
Tavares
Nylander

Rielly
Muzzin
Brodie
Holl

Hyman says he won't sign with Seattle and they don't pick him, or they do pick him and Hyman doesn't sign and Leafs sign him afterwards


Prior to the season it seemed like Dermott could force the Leafs hand into protecting 4 + 4.

But as of now, seems like Holl is forcing them to look at 4 + 4.

It's pretty well Kerfoot vs Holl at this point (and I say this as a big Dermott supporter).
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