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3-way--Who adds what

Created by: Eli
Initial Creation Date: Feb 27, 2021
Published: Feb 27 at 10:05
Team: 2020-21 Buffalo Sabres
Team Explanation
Balance as necessary. Just a general idea.

I'm really unsure of the Tor deal, but for both sides, so maybe it works? Dunno.
Trades
BUF
  1. Kuznetsov, Evgeny
  2. Orlov, Dmitry
  3. Copley, Pheonix
  4. Johansen, Lucas
  5. Lapierre, Hendrix
  6. 2021 1st round pick (WSH)
  7. 2022 2nd round pick (WSH)
  8. 2023 3rd round pick (WSH)
WSH
  1. Eichel, Jack
  2. Hutton, Carter
BUF
  1. Turcotte, Alex
  2. 2021 1st round pick (LAK)
LAK
  1. Orlov, Dmitry
BUF
  1. Dermott, Travis
TOR
  1. Mittelstadt, Casey
Buyouts
  • Cody Hodgson: $791,667
  • Christian Ehrhoff: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Eric Staal: $1,625,000 (50%)
  • Taylor Hall: $4,000,000 (50%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
BUF
WSH
LAK
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
2022
BUF
BUF
WSH
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
2023
BUF
BUF
BUF
WSH
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$76,211,625$1,487,500$5,887,500$5,288,375
Left WingCenterRight Wing
BUF
Skinner, Jeff
$9,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 7
WSH
Kuznetsov, Evgeny
$7,800,000
C
NTC
UFA - 5
BUF
Reinhart, Sam
$5,200,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
BUF
Hall, Taylor
$4,000,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 1
LAK
Turcotte, Alex
$925,000
C
RFA - 3
BUF
Olofsson, Victor
$3,050,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
BUF
Cozens, Dylan
$894,167
C, LW
RFA - 3
BUF
Staal, Eric
$1,625,000
C
NTC
UFA - 1
BUF
Okposo, Kyle
$6,000,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 3
BUF
Sheahan, Riley
$700,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
BUF
Eakin, Cody
$2,250,000
C
UFA - 2
BUF
Thompson, Tage
$1,400,000
C, RW
RFA - 3
BUF
Rieder, Tobias
$700,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
BUF
Lazar, Curtis
$800,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
BUF
Dahlin, Rasmus
$925,000
LD
RFA - 1
BUF
Ristolainen, Rasmus
$5,400,000
RD
UFA - 2
BUF
Ullmark, Linus
$2,600,000
G
UFA - 1
BUF
Montour, Brandon
$3,850,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
BUF
Miller, Colin
$3,875,000
RD
UFA - 2
WSH
Copley, Pheonix
$1,100,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$874,125
LD
RFA - 1
BUF
Jokiharju, Henri
$925,000
RD
RFA - 1
BUF
Irwin, Matt
$700,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
BUF
McCabe, Jake
$2,850,000
LD
UFA - 1
BUF
Girgensons, Zemgus
$2,200,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
BUF
Borgen, William
$864,166
RD
RFA - 1
Taxi Squad
WSH
Lapierre, Hendrix
$925,000 ($0)
C
RFA - 3
WSH
Johansen, Lucas
$700,000 ($0)
LD
RFA - 1
BUF
Bryson, Jacob
$889,166 ($0)
LD
RFA - 2
BUF
Fitzgerald, Casey
$858,750 ($0)
RD
RFA - 1
BUF
Asplund, Rasmus
$845,000 ($0)
C, LW
RFA - 1
BUF
Tokarski, Dustin
$725,000 ($0)
G
UFA - 2
BUF
Davidson, Brandon
$700,000 ($0)
LD
UFA - 1
BUF
Johansson, Jonas
$700,000 ($0)
G
RFA - 1

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Feb 27 at 10:09
#1
cheeks klapanen
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I think the Muzzin injury really shows how much we need Dermott. We have enough depth forwards, so Mittelstadt might even find it hard to crack the roster
Feb 27 at 10:10
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Are you high? Obviously LA declines. Orlov is not worth a first and Turcotte. LA immediately hangs up and blocks your number. Turcotte is a top tier prospect, they wouldn’t trade for Orlov while still rebuilding and no way would it cost that much.
Feb 27 at 10:10
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Shibbal18
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Washington adds and LA declines, and Buffalo wouldnt move Mitts for that right now
Feb 27 at 10:11
#4
Stormy
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Leafs don't need a bust, especially for a potential top 4 defensemen
Feb 27 at 10:11
#5
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buffalo add in all them
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Feb 27 at 10:36
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Think Toronto Fans next year would be screaming Dermott is the next Scott Stevens if they do this
Feb 27 at 10:43
#7
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Who adds what?
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Quoting: HOCKEYBOY448
Are you high? Obviously LA declines. Orlov is not worth a first and Turcotte. LA immediately hangs up and blocks your number. Turcotte is a top tier prospect, they wouldn’t trade for Orlov while still rebuilding and no way would it cost that much.


I generally might agree with you, except that LA fans are offering more than that for Ekholm, and Orlov is slightly better than Ekholm. Because facts.

Quoting: Shibbal18
Washington adds and LA declines, and Buffalo wouldnt move Mitts for that right now


Thanks. What would Eichel to WSH cost, in your opinion? And if LA accepts the above, what would WSH add to that?
Feb 27 at 11:00
#8
Shibbal18
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Quoting: Eli
I generally might agree with you, except that LA fans are offering more than that for Ekholm, and Orlov is slightly better than Ekholm. Because facts.

Thanks. What would Eichel to WSH cost, in your opinion? And if LA accepts the above, what would WSH add to that?


Picks mean nothing especially because the first would be 25-32. Johansen isnt worth anything. Orlov wouldnt waive for Buffalo and doesnt have much value to them and is not having a good year. Copley, while i like him, is not going to be much value, so its Kuzy and Lapierre. Kuzy is not Eichel and has depreciating numbers, also wouldnt waive for Buffalo and the Sabres also dont need a disappointed Russian in their locker room. Probably Wilson Oshie McMicheal and a first, but too many ntc's
Feb 27 at 11:01
#9
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WTF is that LA trade??

If we trade Turcotte and 1st LA adds and goes after eichel
Feb 27 at 11:08
#10
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Who adds what?
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Quoting: KINGS67
WTF is that LA trade??

If we trade Turcotte and 1st LA adds and goes after eichel


As I said above, other LA fans are trading that for Ekholm, who is not as good as Orlov, so, you know, sure, LA could add a bunch and go after Eichel, but why do they need him, when they've got Vilardi at 2C scoring almost as much as Eichel, and Kopitar still playing a solid 2-way game at 1C? Seems like an unnecessary salary cap headache, when all the Kings really need to get back in contention is a 1LD. Orlov played 1LD on the 2018 champs, and led all LHD in the playoffs in minutes, even strength points, and defensive zone starts.
Feb 27 at 11:11
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Quoting: Eli
As I said above, other LA fans are trading that for Ekholm, who is not as good as Orlov, so, you know, sure, LA could add a bunch and go after Eichel, but why do they need him, when they've got Vilardi at 2C scoring almost as much as Eichel, and Kopitar still playing a solid 2-way game at 1C? Seems like an unnecessary salary cap headache, when all the Kings really need to get back in contention is a 1LD. Orlov played 1LD on the 2018 champs, and led all LHD in the playoffs in minutes, even strength points, and defensive zone starts.


Trading that for ekholm is stupid. He’s 30 years old.

Kings aren’t Stanley cup contenders yet. Rather the kings target Dunn or Graves
Feb 27 at 11:17
#12
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Quoting: Eli
I generally might agree with you, except that LA fans are offering more than that for Ekholm, and Orlov is slightly better than Ekholm. Because facts.



Thanks. What would Eichel to WSH cost, in your opinion? And if LA accepts the above, what would WSH add to that?


Correction: I offered more than that for Ekholm AND Fabbro while also being told I was overpaying for them.
Feb 27 at 11:20
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Quoting: Eli
As I said above, other LA fans are trading that for Ekholm, who is not as good as Orlov, so, you know, sure, LA could add a bunch and go after Eichel, but why do they need him, when they've got Vilardi at 2C scoring almost as much as Eichel, and Kopitar still playing a solid 2-way game at 1C? Seems like an unnecessary salary cap headache, when all the Kings really need to get back in contention is a 1LD. Orlov played 1LD on the 2018 champs, and led all LHD in the playoffs in minutes, even strength points, and defensive zone starts.


Quoting: KINGS67
Trading that for ekholm is stupid. He’s 30 years old.

Kings aren’t Stanley cup contenders yet. Rather the kings target Dunn or Graves


Again, I traded for Ekholm AND Fabbro which actually makes a lot of sense long term.
Feb 27 at 11:26
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Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
Again, I traded for Ekholm AND Fabbro which actually makes a lot of sense long term.


Didn't see your post. Which is also offering more. And I'm not criticizing. Top pair D are worth a lot. I'm just pointing out that this would be another way LA could fill its main identified need.
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Feb 27 at 11:32
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Quoting: KINGS67
Trading that for ekholm is stupid. He’s 30 years old.

Kings aren’t Stanley cup contenders yet. Rather the kings target Dunn or Graves


How far away is the window, and what do you think of the development of some of the Caps' LHD prospects (Nardella's tearing it up in Sweden, Alexeyev is rookie of the month in the KHL, Siegenthaler looked ready for top pair at times last year. I can't get a read on Fehervary because he's on the dumb Taxi squad).
Feb 27 at 11:47
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Quoting: Eli
How far away is the window, and what do you think of the development of some of the Caps' LHD prospects (Nardella's tearing it up in Sweden, Alexeyev is rookie of the month in the KHL, Siegenthaler looked ready for top pair at times last year. I can't get a read on Fehervary because he's on the dumb Taxi squad).


I honestly think kings will be contenders for cup in 3 years. Get the prospects in games next year if not this year and add LW1 via trade move down iafallo and Kempe and get a young proven LHD eventually
Feb 27 at 12:02
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Picks mean nothing especially because the first would be 25-32. Johansen isnt worth anything. Orlov wouldnt waive for Buffalo and doesnt have much value to them and is not having a good year. Copley, while i like him, is not going to be much value, so its Kuzy and Lapierre. Kuzy is not Eichel and has depreciating numbers, also wouldnt waive for Buffalo and the Sabres also dont need a disappointed Russian in their locker room. Probably Wilson Oshie McMicheal and a first, but too many ntc's


Agreed. Orlov would waive to LA while they're in playoff position and shopping all over the board for a dynamic partner for Doughty. That's why it's a three way trade.

If I built it from the WSH side, then Buffalo gets two good C prospects, a weak D prospect, an upgrade at backup goalie with a much better contract, two firsts, a second, and a third. Eichel is as valuable as anybody that could be be traded this year, but that's a pretty decent package.

I think if Buffalo takes that today, trades Hall for a 1st today, and moves Skinner to 1LW with Kuznetsov, they are as good this year as they have been, so far, and they could add four decent prospects. They also rescue Skinner's confidence and trade value so maybe they can move him in the future, or they can at least keep him around as a mentor. If the goal is to go all-futures, Buffalo could flip Kuznetsov for Chytil or something.
Feb 27 at 12:04
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Quoting: KINGS67
I honestly think kings will be contenders for cup in 3 years. Get the prospects in games next year if not this year and add LW1 via trade move down iafallo and Kempe and get a young proven LHD eventually


Okay. That makes sense in terms of not rushing the young guys. How old are the guys who won it last time, in three years, though? I like what some other LA fans are suggesting in terms of how a similar reload worked for Chicago a while back.
Feb 27 at 3:58
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
buffalo add in all them


Unpopular opinion here, but are you suggesting that a 24 year old center with an 82 point season is not worth four first picks more than a 28 year old center with an 83 point season, a Cup ring, and a lower cap hit? Shocking, if true. smile
 
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