Value is probably good but honestly if Im Buffalo, either resign Hall or trade him for something that will help them next year. Not another pick. Unless they draft 1ov they aint exactly hitting home runs.... They need help now.

Pass on Hall,

Sabres fan here
I think we’d be ok with the 1st
If we trade Eichel, then we’re probably rebuilding & we’d want that pick
If we keep Eichel, we can always trade that 1st at the draft for a player who can help now

I don’t think hall resigns tbh.

Another rebuild? Im not sure there is an appetite for another rebuild. But i do agree if the goal is to get a 1st so they can use that as an asset to get more talent, than that works too. If players like Eichel and Dahlin want out, whats the point of winning another draft? That player will just want yo leave too. Same problem all over again.

Im not advocating completely selling the farm but they got to figure out something other than another complete rebuild.

Hes shown interest. Buffalo really doesnt have many options either. Not saying Halls the solution, he clearly wasnt but not signing him might not be any better.

Ultimately it comes down to Eichel. If they do end up trading him, then resigning Hall is pointless.

If we trade Eichel, then i don’t think we have any other choice but to rebuild again

And what would rebuilding do exactly? They rebuilt to get Eichel and Dahlin. Now your trading them away to get a new Eichel and Dahlin? What will that change?

Buffalos problem is systemic. Not the talent. Rebuilding with the same systemic problem will only lead to another 10 years of misery.

If they can fix the real problem, they wont need to rebuild. Get a real coach. Weed out the half-assers. Instill a culture. That is how you fix the problem with Buffalo. Easier said than done, I agree but thats the solution. Not rebuilding the rebuild.

Different coach, different GM, different talent
And we’d keep Dahlin & build around him

Good comment, but IMO the problem starts with the owners. There isn't any quick solution when that's the case, and they may be forced into a mini-rebuild if Eichel demands a trade to a competent organization.

That's been tried already. Same results.

Based on what they did the past 10 years, do you think the result will be any different? I don't.

You know what Buffalo needs IMO? Someone similar to Lou Lamoriello as President of Hockey Ops. They need that structure and culture that someone like that brings to an organization. Look at what he's done for the Isles since arriving.

And with TML prior to Dubas

Great
So u agree with me that a rebuild is possible
Thanks

So u keep trying
Just like the Bills did with McDermott & Beane after getting the same failed results after 15+ years

A rebuild with Lou at the helm for example yeah, that would work. Its the current establishments attempt at another rebuild im not convinced of.

Ok
But that doesn’t mean you don’t try

At what point do you stop trying when its not working though?

Im not anti-rebuild. Im anti-bad rebuilding.

I just want them to fix the actual problem before they attempt another unsuccessful rebuild.

You don’t stop trying

And we have a NEW GM,
And we’ll have a NEW coach as well

Maybe they’ll work out, maybe they won’t?
But u gotta try regardless

As opposed to literally doing nothing? Yes i agree the team should literally do something as opposed to nothing.....

What are we even talking about anymore?......

Idk? U said something like “we shouldn’t bother rebuilding”

Not really. Im all for rebuilding. Im not a proponent of rebuilding for the sake of rebuilding. You seem not to care about the end result. As long theyre rebuilding, your happy. Regardless of result because "you got to try".

Thats why I said if the options are literally do nothing or rebuild badly. Then yeah, rebuild. Im saying add a 3rd option, rebuild only if someone capable is at the helm. If not, maybe rebuilding isnt the best option. Seeing as they did it already numerous times and havent done jack squat and with a generational talent like Eichel, not sure why anyone would expect the result to change this time.

Also not saying they should go all in either if thats what you think im saying? It'll take a methodical action plan for this team to get better without rebuilding.

You’re putting words in my mouth
Never said ANYTHING like “the results don’t matter”

Go ahead & point out where i did say that
Bet ya can’t

Thats easy because I never quoted you saying so.... Simply said " you seem to not care about the end result".

I never said you dont try either, only that trying for the sake of trying when the results of that havent worked previously, means mabye its time to look at it differently. Maybe just rebuilding isnt the problem. Its the way theyre rebuilding that is. Hence a different approach with a proven leader like Lamoriello for example, would be worth trying over, just trying with the same method all over again.

I cant believe we're in total agreement on what needs to be done but we're still debating the minutiae of how to get there.

Not going around in circles anymore with you
Later