I’d argue MP is worth more than a mid tier prospect and second... dude is a top 4 nhl Dman

You literally said you’d take Petey, Kapanen and a second and that that might not even be worth it for Detroit

What kind of insane value do you think mantha has?

I’m a poor communicator and that’s your fault

Pettersson + 2021 2nd + Conditional 2022 3rd which is dependent on Pittsburgh's post season success

He's not the world ender that Detroit fans are claiming he is.

So he’s NOT worth a top 4 Dman, top 6 forward and top pick?

Sick and tired of not breaking this 50 point barrier BS, Mantha had 38 points in 43 games last season which over a 82 game seasons comes to roughly 72 points the year before that 48 in 67 games which would translate to a 60 point season in 82 games. if he can stay healthy he'll be a dynamo just needs better linemates around him.

I’d be sick and tired of my players never hitting 50 points as well, but you only get credit for the points you score, friend. You don’t get credit for points you pretend to score.

Saying the only thing that’s holding this guy back is a serious injury problem doesn’t increase his value...

I'd say he'd be fairly similar to the Zucker package that Pittsburgh sent off. The problem is the Penguins don't really have those pieces to replicate it. Additionally, neither player is considered a rental in this trade.

Ok so the pens should give up that package for a dude who cant stay healthy? Makes sense

I feel bad for Detroit. All that success has messed with their brains or something... the disappointment these guys are gunna feel when he gets traded for a very basic package is gunna be rough

What do you honestly see MP’s upside? What is his offensive upside? Why can’t Mantha continue to grow since most large forwards take longer to develop? Im not saying the base isn’t fair but it’s also not super enticing as I don’t see good/great upside in MP. I’d much prefer to get someone like Hanifan or hold onto Mantha and go hard at Hammer in the offseason. I’ve already documented Mantha’s injuries on this site multiple of times and they’re all fighting related and not lingering.


Back to the never hit 50 point argument. Is MP currently playing like a top 4D? Would you want to trade the better piece for a collection of lesser assets when you’ve got depth pieces in spades but need more top end talent? What are the odds this second rounder or mid tier prospect even make the NHL?

Maybe Gruden?

The only reason Pittsburgh wants to move on from MP is that Matheson is unmovable and POJs entry level deal saves a ton of money on the blue line. It’s not an indictment on MP. He can legit play 20 min a nigh, and did so last year. He’s just the odd man out due to the very surprising acquisition of Matheson (who honestly has been quite good)

MP ain’t gunna light up the scoreboard but his size, reach, gap control and positioning are his biggest tools. He’s a good puck mover as well. He’s also clean and won’t take penalties

At 24, MP is already a proper second pairing Dman with speed and size. We understand in the NHL that Dmen usually develop longer and hit their prime often in their late 20s, MPs career is currently following that trajectory.

MPs deal is maybe a little pricey but having term on a young puck moving Dman is such a premium in this league.

That’s what we see in MP

You can have gruden

You prefer hanafin yet MP has arguably been better. The only reason you’re sour on MP and high on hanifin is because one was drafted at 5OA. MP upside is a D man that can log 20+ mins a night and put up 30 points+ while being good defensively. Wings yet to have that.

I’m looking at Detroit’s blue line now and honestly the only player on it that I would want on my team before MP is Hronek and even then, the career -60 is disturbing

The question was what else do the Pens add... so I thought a 1st or 2nd and a mid tier for mantha.

I get why Pitt is moving on. I only question, why Detroit would value him as some cornerstone piece or as the other poster said “stabilizing force”. I’ve mentioned who I prefer in a similar mold to MP is via trade and also a FA I’d rather target and reasons for backing up each approach. Having term is an asset if you believe that asset will make the contract a bargain. Is it currently? No. Do I see the same offensive upside you do? No, I see a stay at home defensemen that is doesn’t take unnecessary penalties but I wouldn’t label him as a future Lady Byng winner as he has 121 PIMs in 195 games vs Hanifan has 103 PIMs in 418 games. I merely used Hanifan as an example as I stated I preferred him over MP.

One reason I haven’t touched on is expansion planning, with our current defensemen I’d save Hronek & Stetcher without question as they’re solid defensemen for their roles. The third spot would go to Cholowski or Lindstrom currently and each of them are polar opposites Lindstrom being the smart stay at home defensemen and Cholowski being a “toolsy” guy that I wish would have more confidence. He started out strong in Grand Rapids this year but Blashill destroyed his confidence multiple times throughout the years. So acquiring MP puts one of those guys open to Seattle, is it the end of the world? Hell no but it needs to be factored into the decision.


No, I’m high on Hanifan as he’s known to be a leader in the locker room and has played a solid clean stay at home game. I value the leadership component heavily as I think Detroit needs to have these guys around Larkin and he’s familiar with Larks. I also see a higher offensive upside in him but I don’t see PPQB for either of them. Hanifan has reached 30 points already twice and almost a third. It has nothing to do with draft selection from five years ago but rather one is a better player and there’s familiarity.

The way I see it, Detroit is at or near the very bottom if I’m ranking blue lines. You need to build from the back end in this era of the NHL. Is MP the best Dman available? No. Will your team get the best Dman available? Probably not. Would MP instantly be one of your best Dmen? Yes. Would he be on the red wings for year to come? Yes

Term has value even when it’s not a huge bargain. Petey is worth his contract. His contract is 100% appropriate.

Detroit should not even consider protecting one of those guys if they have Petey... not that I think either guy is even expansion eligible in the first place

Aren’t they on entry level deals?

They’re not exempt because they were drafted prior to 2018 and have accumulated the necessary games/seasons of a professional league.