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Hertl Trade Thread

Created by: jfrojelin
Team: 2021-22 San Jose Sharks
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 19, 2021
Published: Mar. 19, 2021
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These would all be done at the 2021 TDL. HOWEVER, this team is made in the 2021-22 season so we have to see the the resulting RFAs and how the team would look as a result.

If a 2021 pick is traded, I will speculate who the Sharks could pick, mainly based on my rankings (I'm at 22 ranked players, but it will likely expand to 40 in the next few days).
Trades
1.
SJS
  1. Jost, Tyson [RFA Rights]
  2. Timmins, Conor [RFA Rights]
  3. 2021 1st round pick (COL)
  4. 2022 3rd round pick (COL)
Additional Details:
2021 1st (Isak Rosen)
COL
  1. Hertl, Tomas ($2,800,000 retained)
2.
SJS
  1. Smilanic, Ty [Reserve List]
  2. 2021 1st round pick (FLA)
  3. 2022 2nd round pick (FLA)
Additional Details:
2021 1st (Stanislav Svozil) (In scenario Sharks take winger early)
FLA
  1. 2021 5th round pick (SJS)
Additional Details:
Hertl and a 5th
3.
SJS
  1. Nybeck, Zion [Reserve List]
  2. Pashin, Alexander [Reserve List]
  3. 2021 3rd round pick (CAR)
  4. 2022 1st round pick (CAR)
CAR
    Hertl
    4.
    SJS
    1. Engvall, Pierre
    2. Niemelä, Topi [Reserve List]
    3. 2021 1st round pick (TOR)
    4. 2021 4th round pick (TOR)
    5. 2022 3rd round pick (TOR)
    Additional Details:
    Rosen selected
    TOR
    5.
    SJS
    1. 2021 3rd round pick (CBJ)
    2. 2022 1st round pick (CBJ)
    3. 2023 2nd round pick (CBJ)
    CBJ
      Really no clue on this one
      Retained Salary Transactions
      DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
      2021
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      Logo of the COL
      Logo of the FLA
      Logo of the TOR
      Logo of the SJS
      Logo of the CAR
      Logo of the CBJ
      Logo of the SJS
      Logo of the TOR
      Logo of the SJS
      Logo of the SJS
      2022
      Logo of the SJS
      Logo of the CAR
      Logo of the CBJ
      Logo of the SJS
      Logo of the FLA
      Logo of the SJS
      Logo of the COL
      Logo of the TOR
      Logo of the SJS
      Logo of the SJS
      Logo of the MIN
      2023
      Logo of the SJS
      Logo of the SJS
      Logo of the CBJ
      Logo of the SJS
      Logo of the SJS
      Logo of the SJS
      Logo of the SJS
      Logo of the SJS
      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
      12$81,500,000$50,135,363$0$212,500$31,364,637
      Left WingCentreRight Wing
      Logo of the San Jose Sharks
      $2,108,696$2,108,696
      LW, RW
      NMC
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the San Jose Sharks
      $8,000,000$8,000,000
      C
      M-NTC
      UFA - 6
      Logo of the San Jose Sharks
      $4,725,000$4,725,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 3
      Logo of the San Jose Sharks
      $3,000,000$3,000,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
      $1,250,000$1,250,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 1
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
      Logo of the San Jose Sharks
      $7,000,000$7,000,000
      LD/RD
      NMC
      UFA - 5
      Logo of the San Jose Sharks
      $10,000,000$10,000,000
      RD
      NMC
      UFA - 6
      Logo of the San Jose Sharks
      $2,000,000$2,000,000
      G
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the San Jose Sharks
      $2,250,000$2,250,000
      LD/RD
      UFA - 3
      Logo of the San Jose Sharks
      $5,280,000$5,280,000
      RD
      M-NTC
      UFA - 4
      Logo of the San Jose Sharks
      $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
      LD
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the San Jose Sharks
      $796,667$796,667
      LD/RD
      UFA - 1
      Taxi Squad
      Logo of the San Jose Sharks
      $925,000$925,000 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
      LW, RW
      UFA - 1

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      Mar. 19, 2021 at 1:27 p.m.
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      I don’t see Canes making a move like this.
      Mar. 19, 2021 at 1:28 p.m.
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      why is colorado paying so much more than anyone else?
      Mar. 19, 2021 at 1:35 p.m.
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      Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
      why is colorado paying so much more than anyone else?


      They're bonafide contenders. Their pick would be between 28 and 31. The other ones have chances to be higher, especially the 2022 picks, it's a large gamble. Trading firsts a year away are risky, as the Sharks and Sens have learned.
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      Mar. 19, 2021 at 1:39 p.m.
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      These all look like awful value for Hertl. Not a single top prospect or high pick for a 1C with two years left
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      Mar. 19, 2021 at 1:44 p.m.
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      Quoting: papishark
      These all look like awful value for Hertl. Not a single top prospect or high pick for a 1C with two years left


      The Yotes didn't have to give up Soderstrom for Hall, not sure why we should expect a team's top prospect if we're getting a first
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      Mar. 19, 2021 at 2:06 p.m.
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      Timmins should be barron and add someone like beaucage
      Mar. 19, 2021 at 2:17 p.m.
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      This should be interesting. Majority of this site thinks Hertl is worth a 3rd. On the other end of that, Sharks fans often think he's worth more.
      Mar. 19, 2021 at 2:26 p.m.
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      Colorado trade is the best for us there. A blue line with Timmins. Ferraro. Merkley. Would be pretty neat.
      Mar. 19, 2021 at 2:29 p.m.
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      IMO Hertl to Florida makes a lot of sense. I don't know about the return you have here though. I'm not big on Smilanic, but maybe his game has taken steps since he was drafted?
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      Mar. 19, 2021 at 2:34 p.m.
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      Sharks would either have to retain or take Kerfoot for the trade to go through. But otherwise, I'd take that deal in a heartbeat.
      Mar. 19, 2021 at 2:44 p.m.
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      Yesterday I put out a Wild thread for after the season before the expansion draft. My offer was Jordan Greenway, Brennan Menell, 2021 MN 1st, 2021 MN 2nd and 2022 SJS 5th for Hertl... based on the above proposals I'd say I could remove Menell and still have a competitive offer or swap him out for a lower valued prospect.
      Mar. 19, 2021 at 3:12 p.m.
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      Quoting: jfrojelin
      The Yotes didn't have to give up Soderstrom for Hall, not sure why we should expect a team's top prospect if we're getting a first


      that's because Hall didn't have another year on his contract
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      Mar. 19, 2021 at 3:16 p.m.
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      Quoting: goodfella
      This should be interesting. Majority of this site thinks Hertl is worth a 3rd. On the other end of that, Sharks fans often think he's worth more.


      I don't think I've seen that at all, I think you may be mistaking him with Nieto?

      Hertl and Hall are quite similar in terms of value at being traded. With NJ Hall has a very similar ppg ahead of his trade to Arizona to what Hertl has currently. And Hertl has two years left, and a lesser salary, and more goals. His past results are not that of Hall's tho. I would expect similar overall value. However, at the time of the trade, Yotes were leading the Pacific, right? so expected a late first, plus what they got. That is how I'm basing this trade, to a similar overall value
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      Mar. 19, 2021 at 3:18 p.m.
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      Quoting: sharks_1999
      that's because Hall didn't have another year on his contract


      Hall's resume is much larger. Hertl yet to win a Hart, or have an 80 point season.
      I'm saying this all because we need to be realistic. WE love Hertl, that doesn't mean every team wants to mortgage their future in a time when frankly no one knows the future.
      Mar. 19, 2021 at 3:22 p.m.
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      Quoting: jfrojelin
      I don't think I've seen that at all, I think you may be mistaking him with Nieto?

      Hertl and Hall are quite similar in terms of value at being traded. With NJ Hall has a very similar ppg ahead of his trade to Arizona to what Hertl has currently. And Hertl has two years left, and a lesser salary, and more goals. His past results are not that of Hall's tho. I would expect similar overall value. However, at the time of the trade, Yotes were leading the Pacific, right? so expected a late first, plus what they got. That is how I'm basing this trade, to a similar overall value


      No, I wasn't mistaking him with Nieto. My 3rd round compensation was meant to be sarcastic. Essentially, the values are always off.

      I actually don't think this is that bad of a trade.
      Mar. 19, 2021 at 3:36 p.m.
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      Quoting: OutCold13
      IMO Hertl to Florida makes a lot of sense. I don't know about the return you have here though. I'm not big on Smilanic, but maybe his game has taken steps since he was drafted?


      He's been an insanely good goalscorer in the ncaa so far this season, but who is to say that it will continue
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      Mar. 19, 2021 at 4:19 p.m.
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      Quoting: VijayPatel11
      He's been an insanely good goalscorer in the ncaa so far this season, but who is to say that it will continue


      So was Jimmy Vesey. NCAA is a weird league
      Mar. 19, 2021 at 6:33 p.m.
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      Quoting: papishark
      These all look like awful value for Hertl. Not a single top prospect or high pick for a 1C with two years left


      Niemela is a top 3 prospect for the Leafs right now. Also giving up a 1st rounder.

      Quoting: Paul_Marners_Uncle
      Sharks would either have to retain or take Kerfoot for the trade to go through. But otherwise, I'd take that deal in a heartbeat.


      I'd rather keep Kerfoot and get them to retain.
      Mar. 19, 2021 at 11:13 p.m.
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      What’d be the price from STL? I’m guessing something around Kyrou
       
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