Little Retool

Joined: Jan. 2017

Posts: 6,470

Likes: 1,982

Blues reject the trade. Parayko is their best defender and even his next contract will be much cheaper than Carlson. Maybe if you want to take Faulk we can work that out.

May 27, 2021 at 11:44 a.m.

Thread Starter

Joined: Jul. 2016

Posts: 8,017

Likes: 3,227

Quoting: Chopper02

Blues reject the trade. Parayko is their best defender and even his next contract will be much cheaper than Carlson. Maybe if you want to take Faulk we can work that out.

STL needs a jump much like a Caps. Makes sense for both sides. Faulk is a worse version of Carlson. Caps wouldn't do that.

May 27, 2021 at 11:44 a.m.

Thread Starter

Joined: Jul. 2016

Posts: 8,017

Likes: 3,227

Quoting: Nhl_oilers

How much do you want for Vitek Vanecek?

Caps would probably ask for 2nd.

May 27, 2021 at 11:46 a.m.

Thread Starter

Joined: Jul. 2016

Posts: 8,017

Likes: 3,227

Quoting: EccE

You are not getting Rossi with Kuznetsov. Aim lower, like, a lot lower

Depends how MIN is feeling. They need a top 6 skilled C. Not many available on the market. Rossi won't be NHL ready for a couple years and MIN is not getting any younger. I could see them being interested. Not saying they would do it but don't think they would shoot it down so quick.

May 27, 2021 at 11:51 a.m.

Nhl_oilers

Joined: Mar. 2019

Posts: 7,990

Likes: 4,210

Quoting: ClockReads2113

Caps would probably ask for 2nd.

Would Ethan Bear one for one be enough?

May 27, 2021 at 12:09 p.m.

Joined: Jan. 2017

Posts: 6,470

Likes: 1,982

Quoting: ClockReads2113

STL needs a jump much like a Caps. Makes sense for both sides. Faulk is a worse version of Carlson. Caps wouldn't do that.

Well the Blues wouldn't do Parayko. It's either Faulk or bust in this scenario so if they aren't willing to take on Faulk who still makes less than Carlson, no deal is to be made.

May 27, 2021 at 12:29 p.m.

Joined: Apr. 2019

Posts: 29,236

Likes: 11,340

Quoting: Chopper02

Blues reject the trade. Parayko is their best defender and even his next contract will be much cheaper than Carlson. Maybe if you want to take Krug we can work that out.

FYP

Quoting: ClockReads2113

STL needs a jump much like a Caps. Makes sense for both sides. Faulk is a worse version of Carlson. Caps wouldn't do that.

The Blues just need some health. They could not keep the same team on the ice for a whole week this season. Constant in and out revolving door to the injury bay. There is less than zero chance you're getting Parayko, and certainly not for a considerably older offensive D-man with 5x8 left on his deal. Not gonna happen.

May 27, 2021 at 12:56 p.m.

#10

SlevinKalevra

Joined: Jun. 2019

Posts: 5,286

Likes: 2,731

I’d be shocked if Kuz got you Rossi

May 27, 2021 at 1:01 p.m.

#11

Thread Starter

Joined: Jul. 2016

Posts: 8,017

Likes: 3,227

Quoting: Nhl_oilers

Would Ethan Bear one for one be enough?

Maybe. Currently they have right side covered with Carlson, Schultz, Jensen, TvR but who knows how it will look after the expansion draft. I like Bear a lot and think the value is fair, it's just a matter of making room.

Nhl_oilers liked this.

May 27, 2021 at 1:02 p.m.

#12

Thread Starter

Joined: Jul. 2016

Posts: 8,017

Likes: 3,227

Quoting: Chopper02

Well the Blues wouldn't do Parayko. It's either Faulk or bust in this scenario so if they aren't willing to take on Faulk who still makes less than Carlson, no deal is to be made.

I hihgly doubt STL wouldn't take that deal but I guess it's not worth arguing about. It probably won't happen!

May 27, 2021 at 1:02 p.m.

#13

Thread Starter

Joined: Jul. 2016

Posts: 8,017

Likes: 3,227

Quoting: mokumboi

FYP

Blue take that deal most likely but Caps aren't going to offer Carlson anyways so not worth arguing about it I guess.

May 27, 2021 at 1:10 p.m.

#14

Joined: Apr. 2019

Posts: 29,236

Likes: 11,340

Quoting: ClockReads2113

Blue take that deal most likely but Caps aren't going to offer Carlson anyways so not worth arguing about it I guess.

Not a chance in hell. I cannot be more clear about this. Just for starters, they can't afford it. As I said, less than zero chance.

May 27, 2021 at 1:15 p.m.

#15

Joined: Jan. 2017

Posts: 6,470

Likes: 1,982

Quoting: ClockReads2113

I hihgly doubt STL wouldn't take that deal but I guess it's not worth arguing about. It probably won't happen!

Blues taking a 31 year old defenseman who is already showing signs of slowing down defensively who makes 8 mil a year versus a 28 year old who is better defensively and will make less money plus a promising Middle 6 center...yeah no way the Blues do. Again, make it Faulk and we have a conversation

May 27, 2021 at 1:17 p.m.

#16

Joined: Jan. 2017

Posts: 6,470

Likes: 1,982

Quoting: mokumboi

FYP

It wouldn't be Krug in that deal. They wouldn't want to plug up the right side (since Faulk is terrible on the left side) with over 20mill in defense. Besides, Krug generates a lot of offense and the Blues need it. Faulk doesn't provide a ton but is much better defensively. Krug could go elsewhere (MTL) if they really want to trade him.

May 27, 2021 at 1:21 p.m.

#17

Thread Starter

Joined: Jul. 2016

Posts: 8,017

Likes: 3,227

Quoting: mokumboi

Not a chance in hell. I cannot be more clear about this. Just for starters, they can't afford it. As I said, less than zero chance.

Blues are shedding a lot of cap this summer. But again, agree to disagree.

May 27, 2021 at 1:26 p.m.

#18

Thread Starter

Joined: Jul. 2016

Posts: 8,017

Likes: 3,227

Quoting: Chopper02

Parayko has trended down the last 2 seasons. Had a 0xGAR this past season. Carlson was around 2.5, so it just depends on what STL want. Maybe they want to stick with a good defensive defensive or do they want an elite offensive defensemne. Maybe they want to stick with Parayko. Just saying wouldn't surprise if STL said yes to this deal but we'll never know b/c it won't happen.

May 27, 2021 at 1:35 p.m.

#19

Joined: Jan. 2017

Posts: 6,470

Likes: 1,982

Quoting: ClockReads2113

Parayko's offense has trended down. His defensive play is great though.
But again, I dont mind trading for Carlson, it just won't be for Parayko. That's all I'm saying.

ClockReads2113 liked this.

May 27, 2021 at 3:43 p.m.

#20

Joined: Apr. 2019

Posts: 29,236

Likes: 11,340

Quoting: Chopper02

Bro... Faulk is waaaay more suitable for the Blues. Krug doesn't generate so much offense as to cover for his constant, inscrutable flubs with the puck and utter lack of strength... and Blues fans want to crucify Sanford for a few zone mistakes when Krug makes 2-3 every night. Pffft. Yes, he may well pull his head out of ass next season, but he is really searching for form and confidence right now.

I'd love to be able to know who'd consider giving something decent for Krug. His consistent gaffes in our zone must vanish, one way or another.

May 27, 2021 at 3:45 p.m.

#21

Joined: Apr. 2019

Posts: 29,236

Likes: 11,340

Quoting: ClockReads2113

Blues are shedding a lot of cap this summer. But again, agree to disagree.

Ehh what? You're deluding yourself, friend.

And by the way, most people "trend downward" playing through a back injury.

May 27, 2021 at 3:53 p.m.

#22

EccE

Joined: Jul. 2020

Posts: 1,933

Likes: 1,254

Quoting: ClockReads2113

Rossi will be in the NHL next year. He may have to adjust a bit in the AHL, but he will be fine. Trading him for Kuznetsov would be beneficial in the extremely short term and a very stupid decision in the long term. Swapping Rossi to something build around Dumba would be Minnesota's offer.

May 27, 2021 at 4:21 p.m.

#23

Joined: Jan. 2017

Posts: 6,470

Likes: 1,982

Quoting: mokumboi

I never said Krug is more "suited" for the Blues than Faulk. What I did say is that Faulk is terrible on the left side and Parayko doesn't play the left side same with Carlson. But it's also true that Blues need a PP quarterback, something Faulk isn't really great at and neither is Parayko. Yes, Carlson can move into that slot ahead of Krug, but 20 mil for 3 RHD that only play right side? Won't work.
Krug needs to be paired with Parayko just like he was with Carlo in Boston.
And yes,someone would give up a decent chunk for Krug because he puts up almost 50 points a year. That's not an issue.

May 27, 2021 at 4:48 p.m.

#24

Joined: Apr. 2019

Posts: 29,236

Likes: 11,340

Quoting: Chopper02

Just to be clear, I don't want Carlson in any way, shape or form. And I don;t want a team laden with "PP specialists" that routinely crap the bed 5v5. Just give Dunn the PP1 job, Faulk can take PP2.

By the way, Faulk for the most part has better PP rates than Krug. More PP points per 60, twice as many SOG per 60, fewer shots blocked and no giveaways. Krug just hogs all the PP ice time. Same goes for Dunn v Krug.

May 27, 2021 at 5:05 p.m.

#25