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Trading up at draft

Created by: MGabes19
Team: 2021-22 Philadelphia Flyers
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 4, 2021
Published: Jun. 4, 2021
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Not necessarily what I think will happen, but I do think Chuck will struggle to find a trade partner due to flat cap. He can't overpay since we don't have a ton of space, and no team will be willing to take big contracts.

If the above is truly the case, Flyers HAVE to go after Clarke. I still think Phil could recover and possibly fill that spot, but we still need depth at that position. He played with grown men (granted in a not-so-great league) so there is the possibility that he's NHL ready. If he slips to 5, Flyers need to trade up.

I feel that CBJ needs center depth, so let me know if this package would be enough to entice them:
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$2,500,000
1$900,000
1$800,000
1$800,000
1$800,000
3$4,000,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Clarke, Brandt
3$925,000
Bumpkin, Some
1$1,500,000
Trades
1.
PHI
  1. 2021 1st round pick (CBJ)
CBJ
  1. Frost, Morgan
  2. 2021 1st round pick (PHI)
  3. 2021 5th round pick (VGK)
2.
PHI
    Seattle goes the cheap route. Hopefully they take JVR/Jake. Probably not though
    SEA
    1. Hägg, Robert
    Buyouts
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    2021
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    22$81,500,000$66,923,095$0$1,450,000$14,576,905
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
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    Giroux, Claude
    $4,137,500$4,137,500
    RW, C
    NMC
    UFA - 1
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    Couturier, Sean
    $4,333,333$4,333,333
    C
    UFA - 1
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    Farabee, Joel
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$600,000$600K)
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
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    van Riemsdyk, James
    $7,000,000$7,000,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
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    Hayes, Kevin
    $3,571,429$3,571,429
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 5
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    Konecny, Travis
    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 4
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    Laughton, Scott
    $3,000,000$3,000,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 5
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    Patrick, Nolan
    $900,000$900,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 2
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    Voracek, Jakub
    $8,250,000$8,250,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
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    Lindblom, Oskar
    $3,000,000$3,000,000
    LW
    UFA - 2
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    Allison, Wade
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
    RW
    RFA - 1
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    Laczynski, Tanner
    $925,000$925,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    Provorov, Ivan
    $4,725,000$4,725,000
    LD
    UFA - 4
    Clarke, Brandt
    $925,000$925,000
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    Sanheim, Travis
    $4,000,000$4,000,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 2
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    Myers, Philippe
    $2,550,000$2,550,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
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    York, Cam
    $880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
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    RFA - 2
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    Braun, Justin
    $1,800,000$1,800,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
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    Hart, Carter
    $2,500,000$2,500,000
    G
    RFA - 3
    Bumpkin, Some
    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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    Gostisbehere, Shayne
    $4,500,000$4,500,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 2
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    Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas
    $1,075,000$1,075,000
    RW
    UFA - 1

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    Jun. 4, 2021 at 12:38 p.m.
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    No chance Columbus gives up the 5th over pick for your 13th overall pick
    Jun. 4, 2021 at 12:38 p.m.
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    The 2nd Clarke......
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    Jun. 4, 2021 at 12:40 p.m.
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    Quoting: IconicHawk
    No chance Columbus gives up the 5th over pick for your 13th overall pick


    Like there's no possible way to entice them? Or my package wasn't enough to entice them?
    Jun. 4, 2021 at 12:41 p.m.
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    Quoting: nbw_r3ap3r
    The 2nd Clarke......


    This is the way.
    Jun. 4, 2021 at 12:41 p.m.
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    Quoting: MGabes19
    Like there's no possible way to entice them? Or my package wasn't enough to entice them?


    There is no possible way to entice them
    Jun. 4, 2021 at 12:42 p.m.
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    #14OA pick+Morgan Frost+Vegas's 2021 5th round pick, Comes nowhere near getting you the 5th overall pick. I wouldn't even give up the 6th pick for that.
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    Jun. 4, 2021 at 12:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: MGabes19
    This is the way.


    Flyers 3rd cup incoming? now all we need is a 2nd Schultz and a 2nd Hextall and flyers is Gucci
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    Jun. 4, 2021 at 12:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: IconicHawk
    There is no possible way to entice them


    Is there anyone drafting in the top-6 that you think the Flyers could entice?
    Jun. 4, 2021 at 12:44 p.m.
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    Columbus needs that pick! If they can get their hands on one of Kent Johnson, or Matthew Beniers, they have to keep it. They don’t have a good prospect pool.
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    Jun. 4, 2021 at 12:45 p.m.
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    Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
    #14OA pick+Morgan Frost+Vegas's 2021 5th round pick, Comes nowhere near getting you the 5th overall pick. I wouldn't even give up the 6th pick for that.


    13th overall pick, a top-9 center (Frost) is a steep price to pay to move up 8 spots. Maybe change the 5th to a third. But I still feel that's an overpayment
    Jun. 4, 2021 at 12:47 p.m.
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    Quoting: Nhl_oilers
    Columbus needs that pick! If they can get their hands on one of Kent Johnson, or Matthew Beniers, they have to keep it. They don’t have a good prospect pool.


    From what I've read, Beniers is going @ #2. So I don't think they have a shot at him.

    You do make a good point, they don't have a great prospect pool, so maybe it'll cost Flyers another prospect.
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    Jun. 4, 2021 at 12:50 p.m.
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    Quoting: MGabes19
    From what I've read, Beniers is going #2. So I don't think they have a shot at him.

    You do make a good point, they don't have a great prospect pool, so maybe it'll cost Flyers another prospect.


    I think it depends on who Seattle gets in the expansion draft, and who they want to start their team around. If they suck next year and get another top 5 pick, I see them picking a defence man this year then, because they are a few center man next year, but not the best defence men for top 5. With Matthew Savoie, Brad Lambert, and Shane Wright etc. People should let Savoie slip to the oilers though haha, because we have his brother.
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    Jun. 4, 2021 at 12:51 p.m.
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    Quoting: MGabes19
    Is there anyone drafting in the top-6 that you think the Flyers could entice?


    No, no there isn’t
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    Jun. 4, 2021 at 1:25 p.m.
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    Quoting: MGabes19
    Is there anyone drafting in the top-6 that you think the Flyers could entice?

    The highest you might be able to get is #7 from the Sharks if they make the wrong decision regarding their future and decide they’re still competitive. That would cost you a guy like Konecny though, maybe even more. Top 10 picks are weighted extremely heavily, once the pick is locked in at a certain spot it has more value than “a 1st.” Looking at #7 you can see guys like Clarke, Wallstedt, Johnson, Eklund maybe being available (top pair D, elite starter, first line forwards) and guys like that generally bust less often. A good prospect and a mid-1st isn’t gonna jump you close to the top 5.
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    Jun. 4, 2021 at 1:26 p.m.
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    I think that your premise is faulty. Columbus doesn't need center depth; they need a top- center.
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    Jun. 4, 2021 at 1:27 p.m.
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    The only way we trade that pick to CBJ is if it involves Jones. How would the 5th OA pick help us right now?
    Jun. 4, 2021 at 1:27 p.m.
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    After a little bit of quick research the only time in the salary cap era where the 5th OA pick was traded at the draft was in 2008. The Trade was 5th OA for 7th OA, 68th OA and a 2nd in 2009. That’s 2 spots for a 2nd and a 3rd. You’ll need to come to the table with more for Columbus to move back 8 spots.
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    Jun. 4, 2021 at 1:52 p.m.
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    Quoting: Ajp_18
    After a little bit of quick research the only time in the salary cap era where the 5th OA pick was traded at the draft was in 2008. The Trade was 5th OA for 7th OA, 68th OA and a 2nd in 2009. That’s 2 spots for a 2nd and a 3rd. You’ll need to come to the table with more for Columbus to move back 8 spots.


    Damn this is a good point. That much for two spots. So maybe Flyers need to trade two firsts and an A prospect to get anywhere close?
    Jun. 4, 2021 at 1:53 p.m.
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    Quoting: DirtyDangles
    The only way we trade that pick to CBJ is if it involves Jones. How would the 5th OA pick help us right now?


    Like I said in description, this is only the scenario if Chuck can't find help on trade market. This would help if Clarke is NHL ready now. Which I doubt he is.

    I def don't anticipate this happening, I was just curious what the fellow capfriendly'ers thought the price of moving up would be.
    Jun. 4, 2021 at 1:55 p.m.
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    I think that your premise is faulty. Columbus doesn't need center depth; they need a top- center.


    This is a good point. Sounds like they would hang up unless Coot's name was thrown out. Which would cause Philly fans to burn the city down
    Jun. 4, 2021 at 1:56 p.m.
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    Quoting: Alfie11
    The highest you might be able to get is #7 from the Sharks if they make the wrong decision regarding their future and decide they’re still competitive. That would cost you a guy like Konecny though, maybe even more. Top 10 picks are weighted extremely heavily, once the pick is locked in at a certain spot it has more value than “a 1st.” Looking at #7 you can see guys like Clarke, Wallstedt, Johnson, Eklund maybe being available (top pair D, elite starter, first line forwards) and guys like that generally bust less often. A good prospect and a mid-1st isn’t gonna jump you close to the top 5.


    If I remember correctly, there is a significant drop off after 7-8. So I see your point in that 13 is worth a lot less than 5-7.
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    Jun. 4, 2021 at 2:00 p.m.
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    If I remember correctly, there is a significant drop off after 7-8. So I see your point in that 13 is worth a lot less than 5-7.

    Yeah I personally think the first identifiable tier ends at pick 8 (in no particular order Power, Beniers, Hughes, Clarke, Eklund, Guenther, Johnson, Edvinsson would be my top 8), maybe 9 if you include Wallstedt. Then you get into the guys like McTavish/Lysell/Lucius who should all be gone by 12, and 13 is kinda the start of where it opens up more, you could go with guys like Raty, Sillinger, Lambos, Chibrikov, Cossa, there’s really no consensus and it wouldn’t be surprising to see any of those guys fall 5-10 picks further back either. That’ll hurt if you’re trying to trade up into the really good top 8 tier.
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