Nothing against Monahan, but I don’t think he has anywhere close to that sort of value, personally.

Im hoping this means you feel the value is okay?

I think it helps both teams in a way. I would make the trade but be interesting to see how my fellow hawks ACGM think.

EDIT: I think Z will want more in his next contract but you have the cap anyway.

I can see what thesaadfather is saying. Monahan hasn't been the best for us since that season where we won the west. I could see it happening without the 1st but I am being greedy lol.

What would his contract look like?

I think it will start with a 4 by the time its agreed. He's rumoured to want in the 5s but no one will give him that.

Yes, its probably an overpay but I've a soft spot for Flames too. It is mutually beneficial, even if that 1st is dropped to say a 2nd I still think theres legs for a deal there.

Seeing a 3rd line with Lucic and Alex Nylander just broke my brain...

May I ask why?

allegedly (per Athletic) he's looking for 5x5 ish

They'd be like 2/3 of the Three Stooges together. Lucic is a slow, hulking ape, and awful... Nylander is a chaotic brain-dead mess, and awful.

I don't know much about Backlund, is he possibly the Moe to Curly and Larry there?

IDK never seen whatever that is. I have no idea what you are talking about lol

You've never heard of The Three Stooges? ****ing hell, now I KNOW I'm old... Well trust me, if they were on a line, and you went and watched an old episode of The Three Stooges, you'd totally get it.

Anyway, the point of this post was Monahan. Let me say that I LOVED Monahan, and for all those years that the Hawks struggled to find a proper 2C for Patrick Kane, I was consistently screaming two names into the void... Ryan O'Reilly, and Sean Monahan. He'd have been the PERFECT 2C for Kane, though the cost would've been immense.

Now... Something's ****ed off with Monahan. I have no idea what happened to him, but he hasn't looked right for two years. If he continues to decline at the current rate (though only using two years of decline may not be a fair basis for comparison) , and Strome starts to trend upward again, they'll basically be on equal footing. And Monahan may still be ****ed, while Strome is getting to where he needs to be.

So for me, I'd not want to give up all of that to acquire him and have it turn south.

Fwiw I think Monahan should bounce back. He had a career year in 18-19, followed by a down year in 19-20 where he still had 22 goals in a shortened season (56 point pace, which is about 10 below what you’d expect from him but down years happen and a pro-rated 26 goals from a guy in a down year is still pretty solid). This year he was playing through a hip injury and never had a consistent line (the RW was a constantly revolving door of 4th liners thrust into punching above their weight alongside him and Johnny: Ritchie, Leivo, Bennett, Simon, Robinson, etc. and none of them were any good for longer than a game or 2 max, and then for the last 10-20 games even Gaudreau got taken off his line and he was with Mangiapane and Dube for a while). His surgery was successful though, and if he is given middle six or better quality linemates that don’t change every game he’ll be a top 5 2C in the league (up there with guys like Trocheck/Kadri/Karlsson, I don’t count Tavares or Malkin as 2Cs) fairly easily, and can obviously hang as a 1C with elite wingers (not an issue for Chicago as Kane, Kubalik, and DeBrincat are pretty good lol). He’s money in the bank 20 goals when healthy, and can reasonably be expected to push 30 (he averaged 30 per season from 2014-2019), and should definitely return to that form next year, regardless of where he plays. He also improved defensively under Sutter so he’s not a tire fire in his own end anymore.

As for the trade, I’m not a big fan of Strome, but if he can hold down the 3C job that would be fine. He might be an asset we trade on so we can sign or trade for a better 2C and 2RW (like Danault or Reinhart). I have no idea what to think of Nylander anymore, but if he can be a bottom six RW that gets 35 points I’ll take it, basically what we wanted Leivo to be. Maybe coming back to his hometown will benefit him lol. The 1st and Zadorov are the appealing parts of the package. The #11 pick is the clincher that would get the Flames to actually consider moving Monahan, as otherwise he’s probably only getting moved for another top 6 C/RW (Backlund’s good, but we’re not super deep up the middle, and scoring was an issue this year). I think playing against Zadorov and Lucic would just be super intimidating lol, and then if you escape them you run into Tkachuk or Ritchie (who we probably keep for 4RW). Sutter would have a field day with this group. I don’t think I’d pay him anywhere close to 5 though. 4 is the max, probably try to keep it around 3.5, but Treliving is a tough negotiator so he’ll probably get him for a reasonable deal.