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Team: 2021-22 Minnesota Wild
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 25, 2021
Published: Jun. 25, 2021
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
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4$6,500,000
4$7,500,000
6$4,500,000
2$950,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,500,000
2$750,000
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MIN
  1. Frost, Morgan
  2. Gostisbehere, Shayne
  3. Patrick, Nolan [RFA Rights]
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Figuring that I have to take salary back to keep this relatively cap neutral
PHI
  1. Dumba, Matt
  2. 2021 4th round pick (MIN)
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4.
ANA
  1. Beckman, Adam
  2. Rask, Victor
  3. 2021 1st round pick (MIN)
  4. 2021 3rd round pick (PIT)
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Adding the third for taking Rask to keep the money even
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2022
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2023
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21$81,500,000$65,456,250$0$882,500$16,043,750
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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LW
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LW, C
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RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 3
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C
UFA - 1
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C
UFA - 8
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RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
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$725,000$725,000
C
UFA - 1
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$3,100,000$3,100,000
RW, LW
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LW
UFA - 1
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C
RFA - 1
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C, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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LD
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UFA - 4
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RD
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G
UFA - 2
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LD
NMC
UFA - 7
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$795,000$795,000 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
RD
RFA - 2
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$725,000$725,000
G
UFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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Jun. 25, 2021 at 9:49 p.m.
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Solid trades all across the board in my opinion!
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Jun. 25, 2021 at 9:55 p.m.
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I'd skip the CHI trade if you're going to play Strome at wing.
Jun. 25, 2021 at 9:58 p.m.
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Quoting: wabit
I'd skip the CHI trade if you're going to play Strome at wing.


He might play center for the Wild, but I didn't want to count in it. Pretty easy to swap him and Sturm/Hartman/Frost/Patrick on that second line. If Strome is center, awesome. If not, he's still better at LW2 than Greenway
Jun. 25, 2021 at 9:59 p.m.
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2 things.

1.) Why are we paying Beckman and a 1st for a guy they put on waivers?

2.) I’m pretty sure part of trading Dumba is due to his cap hit meaning it’s unlikely we would take cap back ala Ghost. Otherwise fine.
Jun. 25, 2021 at 10:09 p.m.
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2 things.

1.) Why are we paying Beckman and a 1st for a guy they put on waivers?

2.) I’m pretty sure part of trading Dumba is due to his cap hit meaning it’s unlikely we would take cap back ala Ghost. Otherwise fine.


1) I thought that was just a cap dodge situation rather than a performance issue. Is there something I should know about Henrique?

2) I figured that the Flyers need to stay cap neutral to take Dumba. I'm sacrificing Ghost to Seattle while getting Frost and Patrick back.
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Jun. 25, 2021 at 10:16 p.m.
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That Henrique trade is beyond absurd. The Wild are not including any substantial assets in a deal for him and most certainly not a 1st round pick AND a top 5 prospect. If anything they would consider a mid-round pick or lesser prospect but he’s 31 and on a boarder line, if not bad contract with term.
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Jun. 25, 2021 at 10:25 p.m.
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That Henrique trade is beyond absurd. The Wild are not including any substantial assets in a deal for him and most certainly not a 1st round pick AND a top 5 prospect. If anything they would consider a mid-round pick or lesser prospect but he’s 31 and on a boarder line, if not bad contract with term.


He's worth more than you're offering. He's a 20+ goal scoring 31-year old veteran C1 on a decent contact with 3 years left. You make it sound like he's a 36 year old liability.
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Jun. 25, 2021 at 10:27 p.m.
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1) I thought that was just a cap dodge situation rather than a performance issue. Is there something I should know about Henrique?

2) I figured that the Flyers need to stay cap neutral to take Dumba. I'm sacrificing Ghost to Seattle while getting Frost and Patrick back.


Henrique is owed actual dollars equal to cap and I get the sense the Ducks actually want to get out of his contract. There’s a good chance he gets taken by the Kraken unless ANA could get something for him.

Regarding Ghost, I still think the Kraken take Soucy. It helps with replacing Dumba but it’s still a cap problem.
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Jun. 25, 2021 at 10:33 p.m.
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Henrique is owed actual dollars equal to cap and I get the sense the Ducks actually want to get out of his contract. There’s a good chance he gets taken by the Kraken unless ANA could get something for him.

Regarding Ghost, I still think the Kraken take Soucy. It helps with replacing Dumba but it’s still a cap problem.


If the Kraken take Soucy rather than Ghost, then I play him and the kids instead of signing Cole. The cap is fixed, but I don't like the D corps as much as if they take Ghost
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Jun. 25, 2021 at 10:50 p.m.
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He might play center for the Wild, but I didn't want to count in it. Pretty easy to swap him and Sturm/Hartman/Frost/Patrick on that second line. If Strome is center, awesome. If not, he's still better at LW2 than Greenway


Greenway knows where the d-zone is, is a better skater, and has a physical aspect to his game.

Just to compare them.
5v5 last season:
Greenway: 5g, 23a, 28p (56 games)
Strome: 5g, 5a, 10p (40 games)

Last 2 seasons:
Greenway- 13, 42a, 55p (123 games)
Strome- 13g, 25a, 38p (98 games)

Last 3 seasons:
Greenway- 24g, 54a, 78p (204 games)
Strome- 25g, 49a, 74p (176 games)

This is with Strom playing with Cat and/or Kane for extended periods. Greenway spent his time with much lesser players. I'll take Greenway every day of the week.
Jun. 25, 2021 at 11:18 p.m.
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Quoting: wabit
Greenway knows where the d-zone is, is a better skater, and has a physical aspect to his game.

Just to compare them.
5v5 last season:
Greenway: 5g, 23a, 28p (56 games)
Strome: 5g, 5a, 10p (40 games)

Last 2 seasons:
Greenway- 13, 42a, 55p (123 games)
Strome- 13g, 25a, 38p (98 games)

Last 3 seasons:
Greenway- 24g, 54a, 78p (204 games)
Strome- 25g, 49a, 74p (176 games)

This is with Strom playing with Cat and/or Kane for extended periods. Greenway spent his time with much lesser players. I'll take Greenway every day of the week.


As much as I think Greenway is redundant, this is the right analysis. Strome is worth a look up the middle but doesn’t add much more if you plan to move him to the wings.
Jun. 26, 2021 at 12:58 a.m.
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He's worth more than you're offering. He's a 20+ goal scoring 31-year old veteran C1 on a decent contact with 3 years left. You make it sound like he's a 36 year old liability.


You realize he was really bad last year to the point that he was put on waivers, & no team claimed him right?
Jun. 26, 2021 at 1:01 a.m.
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As much as I think Greenway is redundant, this is the right analysis. Strome is worth a look up the middle but doesn’t add much more if you plan to move him to the wings.


Quoting: wabit
Greenway knows where the d-zone is, is a better skater, and has a physical aspect to his game.

Just to compare them.
5v5 last season:
Greenway: 5g, 23a, 28p (56 games)
Strome: 5g, 5a, 10p (40 games)

Last 2 seasons:
Greenway- 13, 42a, 55p (123 games)
Strome- 13g, 25a, 38p (98 games)

Last 3 seasons:
Greenway- 24g, 54a, 78p (204 games)
Strome- 25g, 49a, 74p (176 games)

This is with Strom playing with Cat and/or Kane for extended periods. Greenway spent his time with much lesser players. I'll take Greenway every day of the week.


My plan is to get as many centers as possible so we can mix and match at center to see who works best.

I still like Strome's game better than Greenway. The numbers don't lie that Greenway has scored more points over the years, but I think Strome has been and will be the better player.
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My plan is to get as many centers as possible so we can mix and match at center to see who works best.

I still like Strome's game better than Greenway. The numbers don't lie that Greenway has scored more points over the years, but I think Strome has been and will be the better player.


So here’s the deal with Greenway for Strome. CHI has all but said they are done with Strome and people seem to think Greenway can play playoff hockey cause he’s big. Another non-trivial asset ahas to come with him. Maybe it’s the Vegas 2nd or a guy like Regula. But it can’t be one for one.

I agree with you that there is potential for Strome up the middle with the Wild but even I have to saw last year has shaken my confidence in his abilities.
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Jun. 26, 2021 at 1:14 a.m.
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You realize he was really bad last year to the point that he was put on waivers, & no team claimed him right?


He had one down start of the season and Anaheim moved him to waivers (16 games, 1G, 3a on the terrible ducks). No one claimed him because of the flat cap and his cap hit. But, he finished the year with 12 goals and 9 assists in 45 games played, so about 0.5 ppg. Prior to that he's been a consistent 20 goal scorer and would have scored 20+ in an 82 game season at that rate. I think there's still alot left in the tank there. If I'm over paying, great! That means the Wild can get him even easier and should.
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Jun. 26, 2021 at 1:16 a.m.
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So here’s the deal with Greenway for Strome. CHI has all but said they are done with Strome and people seem to think Greenway can play playoff hockey cause he’s big. Another non-trivial asset ahas to come with him. Maybe it’s the Vegas 2nd or a guy like Regula. But it can’t be one for one.

I agree with you that there is potential for Strome up the middle with the Wild but even I have to saw last year has shaken my confidence in his abilities.


Ok, so if we got Strome and a 3rd for Greenway, would that satisfy you?
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He had one down start of the season and Anaheim moved him to waivers (16 games, 1G, 3a on the terrible ducks). No one claimed him because of the flat cap and his cap hit. But, he finished the year with 12 goals and 9 assists in 45 games played, so about 0.5 ppg. Prior to that he's been a consistent 20 goal scorer and would have scored 20+ in an 82 game season at that rate. I think there's still alot left in the tank there. If I'm over paying, great! That means the Wild can get him even easier and should.


Okay agree with you besides the overpay. Jt should be straight parise for him,,but Parise would say no
Jun. 26, 2021 at 1:18 a.m.
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Okay agree with you besides the overpay. Jt should be straight parise for him,,but Parise would say no


Ok, I'd love to see that, but Anaheim would need more to take Parise.
Jun. 26, 2021 at 1:26 a.m.
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Solid trades all across the board in my opinion!


Thank you!

So what is a Ducks fan's view of Henrique? Sounds like other Wild fans are pretty down on him. But I think he's still got gas left in the tank.
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Jun. 26, 2021 at 1:42 a.m.
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Ok, so if we got Strome and a 3rd for Greenway, would that satisfy you?


I’d be fine with it, just adding a discussion point. What happens with Greenway Ian pretty low in my list of things with the team. I think Parise is the first thing, outside of signing the RFAs, and. I think Parise (for purpose of a buyout) and a 2nd for Henrique might have legs.
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Jun. 26, 2021 at 1:46 a.m.
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I’d be fine with it, just adding a discussion point. What happens with Greenway Ian pretty low in my list of things with the team. I think Parise is the first thing, outside of signing the RFAs, and. I think Parise (for purpose of a buyout) and a 2nd for Henrique might have legs.


I agree that removing Parise's cap hit is right up there with getting a C1. I don't see any way out of it though.

That being said. I love your trade proposal. Do you think Anaheim would take it? Could we actually get that done?
Jun. 26, 2021 at 1:56 a.m.
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I agree that removing Parise's cap hit is right up there with getting a C1. I don't see any way out of it though.

That being said. I love your trade proposal. Do you think Anaheim would take it? Could we actually get that done?


Honestly? IDK. It will save them 12 mil in real dollars but they’d have to carry the buyout cap hit for a while. Depends on whether they think they need that cap room down the road and if Henrique is really in their plans. It’s a lot to ask but you never know.
Jun. 26, 2021 at 4:49 a.m.
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Ok, so if we got Strome and a 3rd for Greenway, would that satisfy you?


Not really. Strome has no place in the lineup. He has to be on a scoring line or he's useless. Fiala, Zucc, and Kaprizov fill 3 of those spots already. Boldy should fill that 4th wing spot.

With this roster you have 2 centers that are better than Strome already. Of Rossi, Sturm, Frost, and Patrick 2 of them should be at least as good as Strome next year. Hartman and Foligno fill 2 of the d-zone wing spots. Greenway fills that d-zone/checking role better than Strome.

To put it another way I have more faith in Rossi that I do Strome. I'd also rather have another year of Rask over Strome, neither of them can skate but Rask at least plays some defense
Jun. 26, 2021 at 11:12 a.m.
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He's worth more than you're offering. He's a 20+ goal scoring 31-year old veteran C1 on a decent contact with 3 years left. You make it sound like he's a 36 year old liability.


I couldn’t disagree more with your decent contract definition. How many 31-year-olds are getting better and have a extended contract that age well? Look at the current Wild roster construction and I think you’ll see an answer pretty clearly. The Wild don’t need another 30+ year old player with a $5 million cap hit on the roster.

If they were going to entertain a trade for him Anaheim is at a minimum retaining salary or taking back another bad contract in Victor Rask. They are certainly not throwing valuable young assets or high draft picks in a deal like that.
Jun. 26, 2021 at 11:20 a.m.
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I couldn’t disagree more with your decent contract definition. How many 31-year-olds are getting better and have a extended contract that age well? Look at the current Wild roster construction and I think you’ll see an answer pretty clearly. The Wild don’t need another 30+ year old player with a $5 million cap hit on the roster.

If they were going to entertain a trade for him Anaheim is at a minimum retaining salary or taking back another bad contract in Victor Rask. They are certainly not throwing valuable young assets or high draft picks in a deal like that.


My trade included them taking Victor Rask
 
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