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LA Idea assuming they dont get Jones

Created by: drmantalban
Initial Creation Date: Jul 2, 2021
Published: Jul 2 at 3:11
Team: 2021-22 Minnesota Wild
Team Explanation
I'm not particularly high on Kempe, but I also don't want to lose Dumba for nothing. It was just an idea based on LA being "in" on Jones and potentially missing out. Welcome to suggestions.

I think with a lineup like this is provides a stopgap 1C in Strome to evaluate Rossi, Parise gets to his final 3 years where actual remaining cash is $4M total, speed on the 2nd, toughness on the 3rd, and you could pretty much roll all 4 every night.

It's got a lot of flaws, but curious on reactions.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
Menell, Brennan2$975,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Kaprizov, Kirill4$7,500,000
Fiala, Kevin4$6,000,000
Eriksson Ek, Joel4$4,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Cole, Ian2$2,000,000
Foligno, Nick1$2,000,000
Trades
MIN
  1. Strome, Ryan
NYR
  1. Greenway, Jordan
MIN
  1. Kempe, Adrian
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (STL)
LAK
  1. Dumba, Matt
Additional Details:
Portzline and Pronman put an LA proposal out for Seth Jones that was Kempe, Thomas, Bjornfoot and a 22 1st.

I'm mocking this up to assume LA doesn't get Jones but still wants a top 4 RD. I am guessing on valuation. Help me out here.
MIN
    SEA
    1. Soucy, Carson
    2. 2021 3rd round pick (PIT)
    Additional Details:
    Is a sweetener needed for Soucy?
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    PIT
    MIN
    MIN
    STL
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    2022
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    SJS
    MIN
    2023
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$81,500,000$83,369,424$0$732,500-$1,869,424
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    MIN
    Zuccarello, Mats
    $6,000,000
    LW, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    NYR
    Strome, Ryan
    $4,500,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    MIN
    Kaprizov, Kirill
    $7,500,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 5
    MIN
    Boldy, Matthew
    $880,833
    C
    RFA - 2
    LAK
    Kempe, Adrian
    $2,000,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    MIN
    Fiala, Kevin
    $6,000,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    MIN
    Foligno, Marcus
    $3,100,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 3
    MIN
    Eriksson Ek, Joel
    $4,500,000
    C
    UFA - 8
    Foligno, Nick
    $2,000,000
    LW, C, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 2
    MIN
    Parise, Zach
    $7,538,462
    LW
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    MIN
    Sturm, Nico
    $725,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    MIN
    Hartman, Ryan
    $1,700,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 3
    MIN
    Rask, Victor
    $4,000,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    MIN
    Suter, Ryan
    $7,538,462
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    MIN
    Spurgeon, Jared
    $7,575,000
    RD
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    MIN
    Talbot, Cam
    $3,666,667
    G
    UFA - 2
    MIN
    Suter, Ryan
    $3,650,000
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    MIN
    Menell, Brennan
    $975,000
    D
    RFA - 1
    MIN
    Kähkönen, Kaapo
    $725,000
    G
    RFA - 1
    MIN
    Brodin, Jonas
    $6,000,000
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    MIN
    Addison, Calen
    $795,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    MIN
    Cole, Ian
    $2,000,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1

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    Jul 2 at 3:15
    #1
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    I've been trying to brainstorm ideas around Dumba after hearing they are in on Jones. I wonder if we would try to get Madden since Brackett drafted him in Vancouver...
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    Jul 2 at 3:17
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    no thanks
    Jul 2 at 3:18
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    Quoting: TanSor
    I've been trying to brainstorm ideas around Dumba after hearing they are in on Jones. I wonder if we would try to get Madden since Brackett drafted him in Vancouver...


    I think they’d have to make him a main piece. Not the biggest fan of Kempe for the Wild and the 2nd is kind of underwhelming, maybe you could get in on Vilardi but I don’t know where they think he fits with Byfield and Turcs coming up.
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    Jul 2 at 3:20
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    LA might consider trading for Dumba, but only if it happens after the expansion draft. They don't have the room to protect an extra defenseman.
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    Jul 2 at 3:20
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    Quoting: TanSor
    I've been trying to brainstorm ideas around Dumba after hearing they are in on Jones. I wonder if we would try to get Madden since Brackett drafted him in Vancouver...


    Quoting: jnowariak
    I think they’d have to make him a main piece. Not the biggest fan of Kempe for the Wild and the 2nd is kind of underwhelming, maybe you could get in on Vilardi but I don’t know where they think he fits with Byfield and Turcs coming up.


    Interesting thoughts - i'm not huge on Kempe either, but was just chumming the waters a bit, since I hadn't really considered LA for Dumba until I saw that they were after Jones. Villardi is definitely more intriguing, but I wonder what a package for him would need to look like.
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    Jul 2 at 3:22
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    Quoting: nyr2022
    no thanks


    Why? This is a fairly common idea that comes up and most Rangers fans seem ok with the concept, even if it needs some adjusting to preference. I've even seen a lot of Rags fans propose this exact thing.
    Jul 2 at 3:22
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    Quoting: drmantalban
    Interesting thoughts - i'm not huge on Kempe either, but was just chumming the waters a bit, since I hadn't really considered LA for Dumba until I saw that they were after Jones. Villardi is definitely more intriguing, but I wonder what a package for him would need to look like.


    Vilardi would cost a 1st round pick and a "good" prospect or a 2nd round pick and a top prospect.
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    Jul 2 at 3:22
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    I'm really not sure why Minnesota would trade Dumba for bottom six LW. That doesn't make sense to me.
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    Jul 2 at 3:23
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    Quoting: tkecanuck341
    Vilardi would cost a 1st round pick and a "good" prospect or a 2nd round pick and a top prospect.


    So would Dumba, so I guess Dumba for Vilardi is fair after all.
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    Jul 2 at 3:24
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    Quoting: tkecanuck341
    Vilardi would cost a 1st round pick and a "good" prospect or a 2nd round pick and a top prospect.


    Ok I appreciate the confirmation - I was kinda thing something along those lines too.
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    Jul 2 at 3:25
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    Quoting: Caerii
    I'm really not sure why Minnesota would trade Dumba for bottom six LW. That doesn't make sense to me.


    Agreed - i wasn't really set on Kempe, I was more just trying to create dialogue around LA options, which is what i outlined in the description.
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    Jul 2 at 3:29
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    Quoting: Caerii
    So would Dumba, so I guess Dumba for Vilardi is fair after all.


    Sure, as long as it happens after the expansion draft.
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    Jul 2 at 3:31
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    Quoting: tkecanuck341
    Sure, as long as it happens after the expansion draft.


    Because the three defenseman LA just can't afford to lose are...?
    Jul 2 at 3:32
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    Quoting: Caerii
    Because the three defenseman LA just can't afford to lose are...?


    Doughty, Roy, and Walker.
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    Jul 2 at 3:34
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    Quoting: tkecanuck341
    Doughty, Roy, and Walker.


    I don't think most people probably worry about losing Roy or Walker if they're getting Dumba. Dumba is pretty significantly better than either of them.
    Jul 2 at 3:41
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    Quoting: Caerii
    I don't think most people probably worry about losing Roy or Walker if they're getting Dumba. Dumba is pretty significantly better than either of them.


    Dumba is also significantly more expensive than either of them. You need inexpensive guys filling in the bottom pairing. Roy and Walker are both signed to AAVs significantly less than their actual value.

    Just like MInnesota - who is trying to prevent losing Dumba for nothing - LA isn't going to want to lose either of those guys for nothing.
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    Jul 2 at 4:10
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    Quoting: drmantalban
    Why? This is a fairly common idea that comes up and most Rangers fans seem ok with the concept, even if it needs some adjusting to preference. I've even seen a lot of Rags fans propose this exact thing.


    the absolute last thing the rangers need to do is trade their 2C for a winger, if there are nyr fans ok with this concept today I question their judgment. there's not even the BU connection anymore since quinn is gone, not that that was worth very much in the first place. just makes 0 sense for nyr look at our depth chart

    edit: i can only assume you saw that from nyr fans last summer when we were convinced strome was a breadman dependent flash in the pan, but definitely not recently its just makes absolutely no sense
    Jul 2 at 4:21
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    To sum up:

    (1) P & P are idiots for suggesting that sickening package for Seth Jones.
    (2) P & P are idiots for thinking that we'd make such a trade prior to the expansion draft unless Matt Roy or Sean Walker was a part of the package (Madden, young RD, 2021 second).
    (3) Dumba for Vilardi feels pretty close to me (i.e., little adjustment needed), and Kempe wouldn't be that good a fit for you guys unless somehow you lose Kaprizov.
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    Jul 2 at 4:22
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    Quoting: nyr2022
    the absolute last thing the rangers need to do is trade their 2C for a winger, if there are nyr fans ok with this concept today I question their judgment. there's not even the BU connection anymore since quinn is gone, not that that was worth very much in the first place. just makes 0 sense for nyr look at our depth chart

    edit: i can only assume you saw that from nyr fans last summer when we were convinced strome was a breadman dependent flash in the pan, but definitely not recently its just makes absolutely no sense


    I just spent 2 minutes looking and found these - all Rangers created ACGMs. This idea has been floating around all spring/summer. I don't care to find you more examples, but there's plenty out there.

    Here's one that was posted literally 2 hours ago. Exact same trade.
    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2519791

    Here's a similar type of concept - 2 days ago. Moving Strome for larger piece, and dealing with the Wild.
    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2513776

    A third example - for picks and has NYR retaining.
    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2507547

    A fourth example - Strome to MIN for a 1st.
    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2508457
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    Jul 2 at 4:29
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    Quoting: drmantalban
    I just spent 2 minutes looking and found these - all Rangers created ACGMs. This idea has been floating around all spring/summer. I don't care to find you more examples, but there's plenty out there.

    Here's one that was posted literally 2 hours ago. Exact same trade.
    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2519791

    Here's a similar type of concept - 2 days ago. Moving Strome for larger piece, and dealing with the Wild.
    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2513776

    A third example - for picks and has NYR retaining.
    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2507547

    A fourth example - Strome to MIN for a 1st.
    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2508457


    oh ok well this ones easy to figure out... these are all terrible and have the rangers overhauling their roster. not gonna happen and HARD pass. you need centers to win and unless buch, kravy, or kakko get traded theres no room for greenway. ill admit i shouldnt have underestimated the stupidity of our fanbase, thats on me
    Jul 2 at 4:41
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    Quoting: nyr2022
    oh ok well this ones easy to figure out... these are all terrible and have the rangers overhauling their roster. not gonna happen and HARD pass. you need centers to win and unless buch, kravy, or kakko get traded theres no room for greenway. ill admit i shouldnt have underestimated the stupidity of our fanbase, thats on me


    Yeah I def don't disagree with you on that, I'm just saying the general idea of flipping Strome to MIN for Greenway and/or picks is immensely common/popular from Rangers fans. I'm really not exaggerating when I say that I could probably find you at least a dozen examples in the last 2-3 months.

    I get your stance though and I can appreciate not agreeing with a proposed trade.
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    Jul 2 at 7:24
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    Quoting: drmantalban
    Yeah I def don't disagree with you on that, I'm just saying the general idea of flipping Strome to MIN for Greenway and/or picks is immensely common/popular from Rangers fans. I'm really not exaggerating when I say that I could probably find you at least a dozen examples in the last 2-3 months.

    I get your stance though and I can appreciate not agreeing with a proposed trade.


    i just cannot imagine trading a center for anything other than another center at this point its simply terrible management
     
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