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Created by: mac11_716
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 4, 2021
Published: Jul. 5, 2021
Team: 2021-22 Buffalo Sabres
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Reinhart, Sam6$7,500,000
Mittelstadt, Casey3$1,500,000
Jokiharju, Henri3$1,500,000
Asplund, Rasmus3$900,000
Borgen, William3$900,000
Dahlin, Rasmus3$4,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Bernier, Jonathan1$2,500,000
Sheahan, Riley1$850,000
McCabe, Jake3$2,500,000
Trades
1.
BUF
  1. Krebs, Peyton
  2. Tuch, Alex
  3. Fleury, Marc-André
  4. Glass, Cody
  5. 2021 1st round pick (VGK)
  6. 2022 1st round pick (VGK)
Additional Details:
Fleury flipped to another team while retaining salary
VGK
  1. Eichel, Jack
  2. Thompson, Tage
  3. 2021 6th round pick (COL)
2.
BUF
  1. Légaré, Nathan
  2. 2022 2nd round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Fleury, Marc-André
Additional Details:
Buffalo retains $3.5m
3.
BUF
  1. Vilardi, Gabriel
  2. Määttä, Olli
  3. 2021 1st round pick (LAK)
LAK
  1. Ristolainen, Rasmus
  2. Reinhart, Sam
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (BOS)
4.
BUF
    SEA
    1. Eakin, Cody
    2. 2021 3rd round pick (MTL)
    Additional Details:
    Expansion
    5.
    BUF
    1. 2021 3rd round pick (WPG)
    WPG
    1. Määttä, Olli
    6.
    BUF
    1. Johnson, Tyler
    2. 2022 1st round pick (TBL)
    TBL
    1. 2022 7th round pick (BUF)
    7.
    BUF
    1. Kuemper, Darcy
    2. Crouse, Lawson
    ARI
    1. Miller, Colin
    2. Bjork, Anders
    3. 2022 2nd round pick (PIT)
    Buyouts
    • Cody Hodgson: $791,667
    • Christian Ehrhoff: $0
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    BUF
    VGK
    LAK
    BUF
    FLA
    WPG
    BUF
    MTL
    BUF
    BUF
    2022
    BUF
    VGK
    TBL
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    2023
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$81,500,000$56,479,749$113,916$2,550,000$25,020,251
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    BUF
    Skinner, Jeff
    $9,000,000
    LW, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    LAK
    Vilardi, Gabriel
    $894,167
    C
    RFA - 1
    VGK
    Tuch, Alex
    $4,750,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 5
    BUF
    Olofsson, Victor
    $3,050,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Cozens, Dylan
    $894,167
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
    TBL
    Johnson, Tyler
    $5,000,000
    RW, C
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    BUF
    Ruotsalainen, Arttu
    $925,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Mittelstadt, Casey
    $1,500,000
    C
    RFA - 3
    VGK
    Glass, Cody
    $863,333
    C
    RFA - 1
    ARI
    Crouse, Lawson
    $1,533,333
    LW
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Asplund, Rasmus
    $900,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 2
    BUF
    Okposo, Kyle
    $6,000,000
    RW
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    BUF
    Sheahan, Riley
    $850,000
    LW, C
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Girgensons, Zemgus
    $2,200,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    BUF
    Dahlin, Rasmus
    $4,500,000
    LD
    RFA - 3
    BUF
    Jokiharju, Henri
    $1,500,000
    RD
    RFA - 3
    Bernier, Jonathan
    $2,500,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    BUF
    Bryson, Jacob
    $889,166
    LD
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Borgen, William
    $900,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    ARI
    Kuemper, Darcy
    $3,500,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Samuelsson, Mattias
    $925,000
    LD
    RFA - 2
    BUF
    McCabe, Jake
    $2,500,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 4

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    Jul. 5, 2021 at 12:14 p.m.
    #1
    Joined: Jul. 2021
    Posts: 15
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    Nice if focusing on picks, but lacking in some positions.
    Jul. 5, 2021 at 12:24 p.m.
    #2
    Lenny7
    Joined: Jan. 2017
    Posts: 9,073
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    Wasn't the original ask something along the lines of 4 x 1sts (Or something equal to that?).

    Let's play a fun game of "What the player's value in terms of draft picks":

    Krebs (1st)
    Glass (1st...value may have dropped, but still a very cheap, young roster player with a bunch of years of control left that has plenty of upside)
    Tuch (1st+2nd or 3rd, or 1st+decent prospect?)
    MAF (I'd say 1st, based on the whole Vezina thing this year, but given the 1 year of control/his age, let's say a 2nd?)
    2 x 1st.

    So, on the low end, you could peg this deal at five(!!!) 1st round picks, one 2nd, and a 3rd. That's a pretty excessive overpay given the declining market for Eichel right now, even if you're including Tage.
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    Jul. 5, 2021 at 12:28 p.m.
    #3
    Hockey Super Genius
    Joined: Jun. 2015
    Posts: 3,151
    Likes: 791
    Pens say NOPE
    Jul. 5, 2021 at 12:48 p.m.
    #4
    Shibbal18
    Joined: Jan. 2016
    Posts: 19,015
    Likes: 5,690
    MAF and TJ dont waive.
    Jul. 5, 2021 at 12:51 p.m.
    #5
    Shibbal18
    Joined: Jan. 2016
    Posts: 19,015
    Likes: 5,690
    Quoting: Lenny7
    Wasn't the original ask something along the lines of 4 x 1sts (Or something equal to that?).


    No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

    Quoting: Lenny7

    Let's play a fun game of "What the player's value in terms of draft picks":


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    Jul. 5, 2021 at 1:03 p.m.
    #6
    Joined: Jun. 2019
    Posts: 486
    Likes: 74
    Who are the sabres drafting in the first round?
    Jul. 5, 2021 at 1:18 p.m.
    #7
    Thread Starter
    Joined: Jun. 2018
    Posts: 146
    Likes: 42
    Quoting: DraftCentralMP
    Who are the sabres drafting in the first round?


    In real life, they're taking Power first and want Eklund if they can get another first. Personally I want Beniers. From what I have read/heard, they value this class.
    Jul. 5, 2021 at 1:58 p.m.
    #8
    Lenny7
    Joined: Jan. 2017
    Posts: 9,073
    Likes: 6,519
    Quoting: Shibbal18
    No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no



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    Hahaha, alright...so, instead of that, we can do the whole "Top 6 winger+top prospect+young roster player with plenty of upside+2 x 1st+1 year of Vezina goalie" instead. Does that seem less insane than the return that's posted above?
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    Jul. 5, 2021 at 2:08 p.m.
    #9
    Joined: Jul. 2020
    Posts: 4,974
    Likes: 1,959
    With a bad contract and being a rental LD, I can't see the Jets having any interest in Maatta.
    Jul. 5, 2021 at 2:37 p.m.
    #10
    First NY Then LA
    Joined: Jun. 2018
    Posts: 22,198
    Likes: 11,888
    Quoting: Lenny7
    Wasn't the original ask something along the lines of 4 x 1sts (Or something equal to that?).

    Let's play a fun game of "What the player's value in terms of draft picks":

    Krebs (1st)
    Glass (1st...value may have dropped, but still a very cheap, young roster player with a bunch of years of control left that has plenty of upside)
    Tuch (1st+2nd or 3rd, or 1st+decent prospect?)
    MAF (I'd say 1st, based on the whole Vezina thing this year, but given the 1 year of control/his age, let's say a 2nd?)
    2 x 1st.

    So, on the low end, you could peg this deal at five(!!!) 1st round picks, one 2nd, and a 3rd. That's a pretty excessive overpay given the declining market for Eichel right now, even if you're including Tage.


    No. According to Buffalo fans, the ask was 7 first-round-draft-pick values, but they'll take 6.

    Which is why you and I are out of this market.
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    Jul. 5, 2021 at 3:08 p.m.
    #11
    First NY Then LA
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no



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    So, for the record, was the ask for (a) more, or (b) less than four first-round picks?
    Jul. 5, 2021 at 4:11 p.m.
    #12
    Shibbal18
    Joined: Jan. 2016
    Posts: 19,015
    Likes: 5,690
    Quoting: OldNYIfan
    So, for the record, was the ask for (a) more, or (b) less than four first-round picks?


    That wasnt a thing, it was never a thing. It was a garbage internet rumor people latched on too so they could set their Chel gm meter. The value is the value, you get there by addressing Buffalo's needs, no equivalent to 4 1st rounders childish garbage

    Quoting: OldNYIfan
    No. According to Buffalo fans, the ask was 7 first-round-draft-pick values, but they'll take 6.

    Which is why you and I are out of this market.


    Love this strawman, especially in reference to me
    Jul. 5, 2021 at 4:52 p.m.
    #13
    First NY Then LA
    Joined: Jun. 2018
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    That wasnt a thing, it was never a thing. It was a garbage internet rumor people latched on too so they could set their Chel gm meter. The value is the value, you get there by addressing Buffalo's needs, no equivalent to 4 1st rounders childish garbage


    Says the guy whose last proposal to Las Vegas was for Tuch, Krebs, Glass, the 2021 first (there's at least four first-round-pick values right there, even conservatively), plus Reilly Smith and Ryan Reaves.

    It's irrelevant whether the quote of Kevyn Adams is accurate or not. Us SoCal guys evaluate Eichel trades by what the equivalent values are. You can deny all you want that Kevyn Adams ever said that, but the bottom line is that Buffalo proposals are always for more than four first-round-pick values. What I find especially pernicious is your comrades' constant evaluation of a top-10 pick as just another first-rounder (as if Los Angeles would trade #8 for Minnesota's two picks) while pooh-poohing the value of any pick after #16 as "not really a first-round pick." (To be fair, I'm not including you in this group at all.) FYI, I consider a top-10 pick as worth two first-round-pick values and a pick in the 21 to 32 range as a 0.75 first-round-pick value. Nobody in his right mind thinks that Seth Jones and Columbus' two late first-rounders is an equitable trade for Eichel. But you'll be hard-pressed to find any Buffalo ACGM offer for Eichel that is less than 5 first-round-pick values, and I don't think that's coincidental.
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    Jul. 5, 2021 at 5:01 p.m.
    #14
    Shibbal18
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    Edited Jul. 5, 2021 at 5:07 p.m.
    Quoting: OldNYIfan
    (there's at least four first-round-pick values right there, even conservatively)


    Omfg... this is entirely my point
     
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