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That would be a brutal trade...

People are rating you 1 star without looking at your description

haha that's because if a deal is bad people can't help themselves but to give it a 1 instead of maybe a 2 or 3 which I use if a trade is halfway there. But yes nobody read what you said and that's happened to me too when i try to start discussions and I get instant 1 stars.

Having listened to that conversation they never said the Leafs should make that trade, they said that would be the cost. If you want a good, young puck moving RD you need to give up a good, young controlable forward in return and until Kapanen shows his NHL potential in the NHL, he's not going to cut it. Nylander is the cheapest price to pay to get that kind of quality on the back end.

That being said, if they make that trade I'm becoming a Habs fan.

. But speculating that it would take a proven 20year old 60pt type player for an UNPROVEN 22 year old RHD doesnt make any sense. Even If Montour played half a season and put up great numbers I still wouldn't do that trade. He is basically Carrick. And Carrick is a PROVEN NHL Dman. And remember that we got Carrick and a pick and a cap dump for a middle six grinder. Lol. Now that Carrick is proven his value should go up. Would they trade Carrick for Drouin? That's how dumb this trade idea is. Lol. Nylander for lindholm I could see. That's about it.

That's not giving Montour credit. He hasn't made the Anaheim lineup because they can't fit him into it. He's significantly better than Carrick. He's easily a top 4 dman right now on Toronto and Carrick is at best a 3rd pairing dman on any other team. But all that aside, it's extremely hard to find a good, young, puck moving RD right now and you need to be willing to take a gamble to acquire outside the draft. I would not make theverything trade either I'm just reinforcing TSN's point that they cost a lot; more than Toronto is probably willing to give up.

Though Montour hasn't cracked the lineup and he has shown how he can play in about a handful of games this year. I would rather give up Sami Vatanen over Montour. We clear cap space and can add a winger for next year and have a long run next year. Nylander would fit in nicely with Max Jones and Sam Steel. Just my opinion on it. We have the luxury of having 4-5 right shot D-man and the asking price is a little steep.

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I don't get it though. Carrick and Montour are the age and Carrick has played 100 games or so. I'm not saying Montour couldn't make the team. I'm saying he didn't and he hasn't done anything to sow he can play at the NHL level. His trade value would be like a Kapanen. Who could also be like Nylander but we don't know yet. Nylander is 20 and producing well. Would Winnipeg trade an Elhers for Montour if they needed a rd. no. Even if you think Carrick is much worse then Montour (which there is no evidence of ) he is at best worth a similar prospect at a similar value which is more of a Kapanen then Nylander.

Leafs have their own AHL prospects. Yes Montour might be a late bloomer (think Parayko) but the Leafs if they really want to improve their defence it will be for an established Dman. And Nylander might be the Leafs # 2 centre of the future.

Montour is soooo much better than Carrick. I've seen him play and he's a really good puck moving D but also very sturdy in the backend.

Dreger said that Anaheim would most likely ask for Nylander. The "ask" versus what they actually got would be quite different. The argument could be made that Leivo is in the same position as Montour, a victim of numbers, and that he would actually be the most probable piece the Ducks could get.
The Ducks ask for Nylander, the Leafs offer Soshnikov, they settle on Leivo.

Id do that. Basically I was upset and confused by TSNs brutal take on what it would take. Because that insinuates they believe it to fair and creditable. It's just roasting leaf fans. If they said "leafs need D help and the Ducks have what they need. Good young D. Im sure the Ducks really like these young players and would want a lot for them. There initial ask mat start with m Nylander. But as Nylander has been a super rookie and there is no way leafs management would trade a proving 20yo for anything but Proven young D man with similar upside plus. Leafs are winning enough games to stay the course and part of there electric nightly offense is generated by these young Leafs players and if I'm a Rival gm looking to make a trade for Nylander, I know it's going to take a lot". That's what the context should be. That's the obvious truth. Not this ****.