Devils accept

No idea why we'd lose Tank to keep Dunn, then trade him for peanuts and sign the horrendous Oleksiak to a much bigger deal.

U guys get more for Dunn. If we’re only giving a third, we would also probably include prospect or young player like Boqvist. That would be reasonable; Boqvist and a 3rd

I would think the Blues would just keep dunn rather than getting a 3rd Oleksiak.

What would Bortuzzo cost?

My focus was mostly on putting a roster together rather than getting "reasonable" returns per se. I've heard the Devils are interested at one point which is why I chose them. The last I heard pre-expansion list was that the best offer Armstrong had was a 3rd so I threw that up there but I'm betting he fetches more like a 2nd.

I don't think Bortz is for sale. He's solid team guy, great shot blocker but not exactly a guy you want in the line up every night. He's on an affordable deal too which the Blues need.

Can they get more for Dunn? Sure, but my focus is mostly roster construction here than getting a "reasonable" return per se. I've heard Devils and 3rd separately at different points to I went with that just to get him off the roster. As for Oleksiak over Dunn specifically...with Faulk, Krug, Walman, and potentially Perunovich, Dunn's skills are obsolete. The Blues need a guy that's big and defensively sound, Dunn is neither, Oleksiak is both. I don't like the AAV or term of 4x4 for him but I've read that's what it's going to take on the open market so I plugged it in. It's the cost of winning now and that's where the owner sees this team currently.

It's also less about "losing Tank" than it is getting the cap space which the Blues need to sign RFAs, Landeskog, and Oleksiak.

I don't see Detroit being interested in Sanford maybe if he was a center or an LHD. But they would be interested in Dunn.

He was playing center towards the end of the season. That said I wasn't sure where to throw him I just wanted him gone. The Blues gave you Fabbri for nothing I figured maybe the Wings would take Sanford for nothing too lol.

I thought you left it blank because you weren't sure over the price and wanted a Detroit fan to suggest a price. The DLR for Fabbri trade was initiated by STL.

Oleksiak is one of the worst blue line turnover machines in the entire league. That's not defensively sound. As Blues fans, we've also seen him regularly roasted. Time and time again. On his transition game alone, Dunn is easily superior from a defensive standpoint than Oleksiak could ever be. Oleksiak would be the town dog in weeks. He's an awful fit.

It was, Fabbri wanted out and Army did him a favor. It was an awful trade from a Blues perspective.

Do you have someone you'd prefer in that spot? Suter? Martinez? Say what you want about Dunn but he's gone. He's in a very Edmundson-esk situation in the fact that Dunn and Army have two different views of their value and its created a riff of sorts.

I prefer to see Army shelve his ego and keep Dunn. But yes, Suter would be worlds better than Oleksiak. So would Eddy, for that matter.

I mean I'd like Petro and Eddy to be here over Faulk and Krug as well but here we are. It'd also be nice if Tarasenko swallowed his ego and didn't want out but again....here we are. I'm trying to put something realistic out there really more than something that's my opinion. Every move I made here came from something I've heard or at least seen at one point in time (from journalist not fans) except Sanford to Detroit...that's more of a "I need him gone, make it work" situation. If that isn't a realistic move then just remove Bozak and put Sanford in his place at a lower AAV. The RFA deals I based off of past RFA deals the Blues have made recently (compared them to Sunny, Barbs, Blais, Fabbri, and Sanford past RFA deals). The UFA deals were based off of Dom at the Athletics projected market values. I see your points with Oleksiak (I haven't seen him play a lot so I'll take your word for it on his flaws) but he's both cheaper and younger than Suter and Martinez. If Army can manage to get one of them closer to 4m AAV than 5m AAV I think those guys would be better options but that's going to cost at more term for older players which isn't great. Lastly, I've heard multiple Blues journalist mention Oleksiak as an option this summer which is another reason I picked him. I've seen Suter too so maybe there's something there to look at but I've seen no peep of Martinez. Not that, he's not an option, who saw Krug as an option after Petro fell through?

1- Age doesn't matter when the young guy is terrible and will weigh down the cap longer. Short-term excellence beats long-term garbage any day.
2- I doubt Suter gets near that much, but yeah Martinez will probably be up near 5M.
3- Heh. Then they're on the pipe. It's a horrible idea. His defense is overrated, anyway.

But you can see Oleksiak's zone exit numbers (and his pitiful entry defense numbers, as well) for yourself. If people were freaking out over the various damning giveaways in the D zone made by Krug, Sanford, etc., Oleksiak will cause a wave of heart attacks.

Honestly, I really hope Army has some sort of clever plan for the next few weeks or so, because right now it looks like he may be screwing things up.

I thought journalist were on the pipe for mentioning Petro to Vegas due to the cap joggling they'd have to do and they somehow pulled it off without even getting rid of MAF. I'm beginning to think these guys are mentioning what they're hearing more than just verbalizing opinions. I've seen it from more than one guy so if it happens I'm guessing you'll be less than pleased if they do get Oleksiak lol. Army tends to work in the dark though so I'm looking forward to seeing what he has up his sleeve this time. Frankly, I'm hoping that Scandella can play more like the first month he did as a Blue than he did last season. If so he can be that guy that this team "needs" right now IMO. The injuries hurt this team more than anything last year, I don't think they're as far off as many think on defense. They do need two top six LWs this summer though.

I just looked at Martinez's numbers before he got to play next to Petro this year and they're equal to Oleksiak's at best in most cases. Are his numbers "Petro boosted"? Are Olecksiak's "Heiskanen boosted"? Better question yet, can these players play well with Parayko/Faulk (although lesser players, so big if)? Suter's number's over the last 4 years are all over the place and due to his age that's really concerning as well.

What?

Martinez 2020 zone exit % percentile: 86
Oleksiak 2020 zone exit % percentile: 14

Martinez zone entry defense % percentile: 65
Oleksiak zone entry defense % percentile: 36

I will just assume you are not reading it correctly, because there's no way anyone could ever think that Martinez's numbers here are in the "equal at best to Oleksiak" category. And zone exits is an individual stat. Even if they play together every minute, partners won't have identical numbers.

But yes, Oleksiak is a MAJOR passenger with Heiskanen. HUGE.

I’m just going to take note of this as another example of the difference between Makar and Heiskanen’s linemates. How would you compare Landeskog to Cogliano, Mackinnon to Faksa, Rantanen to Comeau, and D.Toews to Oleksiak?

Exactly. The new deal he just signed with you is a bargain.

You might look at Martinez's number in 17, 18, and 19. Very Olecksiak-esk type numbers. I did say "before he got to play next to Petro this year".

1- From 16/17 to 19/20, Oleksiak total zone exit % percentile is 14th. Martinez's is 52nd percentile. On what planet are these numbers similar?

2- Uhh that's 19-20, before Petro arrived.

Bro... these two things are not even remotely alike, no matter how many incorrect mental gymnastics one goes through. Besides, I never said they should sign Martinez, I just noted that he's demonstrably, obviously far better than Oleksiak, even at his age.