Rangers happily reject that nonsense.

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Love what you wrote in the description. Fans of teams (myself included) overvalue their own players too much.

Um given what happened, I wouldn’t be shocked.

The Buchnevich trade was definitely a bad one. But the main reason he pulled off that trade (which I still don't excuse) was to save future Cap space. Felt he needed to clear money out now.

Doesn't have that same issue with Chytil and (especially) Schneider.

I think there is a lot of value in posts on here that try and find equitable and fair deals for both sides. That just wasn't the purpose of this particular post.

The reason they did it is because their front office is bad. You can't claim you don't have enough cap space for Buch when you are spending 5m$ on Goodrow and Blais. This is specifically targeting the trends of NYR wanting grit, the new front office not valuing existing skill players, and wanting to win now with depth at C. I do think the deal favors Col but that is kind of the point given the context of a team that frequently wins trades by targeting teams making rash decisions. Also Schneider is in here because Chytil himself wasn't enough, Buch is gone who would have been ideal 1 for 1, didn't want to touch the high end kids, Schneider specifically has come up in rumors as someone Buf is willing to move and he is the prospect I feel best aligns with Col's needs while also not being the best of the young D prospects.

Think Colorado would need to add a little something to that Rangers deal but who knows, also I know NYR is trying to add toughness/grit but the Avs should be looking to do the same imo.

drury wont even trade schneider for eichel so i dont think thats happening

Edit: its tough to really know but considering their strong depth on defensive prospects and windows of the young players that strongly clash with the rest of the team I feel like there is certainly one of them that would make sense to use.

Other wise the team is even more foolish than I am assuming here.

Like lets say Fox/Lindgren who are both 23 are part of the core. That leaves 4 spots for Miller, Jones, Lunquist, and Schneider. That doesn't include Trouba who is signed for 5 more years and 3 of those kids wont be ready to play a significant role for 3 more seasons, while most of their core is in their mid to late prime.

I understand GM's like to play hardball but I just don't see the logic behind saying the guy thats 5th-7th on a depth chart is untouchable, especially when he just gave away a top liner for free and signed a bottom 6 guy to 4x too much

OOOF with a capital O, sure man, your whole dissertation that lets you sidestep being criticised on value aside, let's dig into this eh?

Alright, so we're operating based off of how GM's behave and how the NHL acts in reality, right? Lovely. Would love to know your thought process behind somehow convincing analytics darling Jake McCabe to sign a one year 2.5M deal. Is Sakic going to walk in and bully him over the year he lost to injury? While I'd love to join you in the stars wherever you pulled this term and dollar amount from, I am unfortunately bound to keep myself and my ideas down here on planet Earth, and would encourage you to do the same. Have you seen what Defensemen are getting these days? Suter's about to score 4 years and you think McCabe will pick up 1?? Let alone at 2.5? OOF

It's not about a value here, as much as it a fallacy, when it comes to this NY trade. Maybe Burnaby Joe puts on the silver tongue and pulls Schneider away. I think you're making the wrong read on NY, "Made bad move x therefor they'll make bad move Y" is some prettttttty faulty logic. Drury trading Buch saved him some cap space and got rid of an unsigned asset, maybe he does the same with Chytil, but it doesn't necessarily look like NY is selling off for selling off's sake as much as it looks they're trying to capitalize on assets they don't think they'll be able to sign (no matter how misguided). They just got rid of Deangelo on the back end, and they literally signed the kid back in March of this year. Maybe there's an argument to be made for Drury being willing to move him bc he wasn't GM then, but he was associate GM, it's not like he's a fresh face. I don't buy it. The Chytil addition, sure, but there's been rumors floating around that they've been wanting to extend a QO his way for a few weeks. Some faulty logic at best here, pretty sure they shoot this one down, Schneider's exactly what they need, they traded up for him and literally just signed him. Again, it's not the value so much that I have a hang up on, it's that it doesn't make much hockey sense. Feel free to elaborate on this one though.

This NSH trade, David Poile is going to trade his starting goaltender and top offensive producer to a division rival under the pretense that he's got a prospect *maybe 1-2* years away without a single bona fide blue chip prospect coming back? God bless the IRL GM who decides to go all in on a goalie prospect without seeing what they've got, we all know that works out so well (*cough* *cough* Markstrom *cough* *cough* Chris Gibson *cough* *cough* Malcolm Subban). NSH Knows how to develop goalies, call Poile the farmer because he knows a thing or two because he's seen a thing or two — he's also shown he doesn't put prospects into the fire unless he's certain they can handle it, and he doesn't make trades that'll put him in a conspicuous position without knowing he's got abundance to back him up. One good goalie prospect ain't abundance. This trade seems unrealistic, maybe a year or two from now, but right now, it doesn't cut it. Poile's not dealing one-on-one with a division rival like this unless he's certain he's coming out on top ESPECIALLY after the Girard trade (which again, was a move made out of abundance, as NSH had plenty of blue chip D at the time). I'm also fairly certain NSH has plenty of players like Martin Kaut, in fact — I'm pretty sure that's where Martin Kaut's spawn.

Don't know why Sakic targets Riley Nash for the 4th line, he's typically reserved that line for high character penalty killers, not saying Nash isn't necessarily good, but with the options on the market I think it's unrealistic and antithetical to Sakic's reasoning the last few years. Hardly doubt that Sakic is pulling teeth over giving Landy 5-8 years he's gonna be comfortable throwing 5 X 5 to Danault who projects as a slightly better Kadri, kinda worse Landeskog. BUT, FWIW, I do like Danault, I wouldn't mind him in that slot.

Love the idea of Forsberg and McCabe on this team, would be great additions and consolations for losing Landy. Love the idea of playing towards how GM's are acting — think you're a bit off in your assessments tbh.

They traded up for him in the draft, they signed him in March, and they just got rid of D'Angelo (which they've been planning on doing). He's kinda exactly what they need atm.

Side note, just saw you made the DNVR podcast! Congrats you're famous!

I also echo everything they say.

We just being silly here fam. Full support to you livin your best life, in your own weird way

Definitely a weird response to roster critique, but yeah bud same to you!

I mean, look at me man, I'm literally David Koci fanboy, I'm here for the silliness any day of the week haha. Just saw a roster that was clearly given some forethought and wanted to throw some right back at ya, certainly didn't mean anything anyway or the other.

I feel like my biggest issue here is who ISNT a fan of David Koci. Its not possible. The man was Brent Burns before Brent burns haha

EDIT: Also to get to your earlier post:

McCabe only played 13 games last year and is coming off major surgery, so the idea is he plays a full year next to Girard or Byram, juices his numbers and then gets a big pay day next offseason. If that deal is there for him now then thats also fine, its part of the reason I put up other alternatives in the lengthy bio. I would go higher on AAV or term but I think this made the most sense for both sides. I'd have to look at EW's contract projections to see if the number changed wildly but defensive dmen, especially ones coming off an MCL major injury don't break the bank too hard. I have no doubt GM's do foolish things all the time, but Col rarely does so I don't see a need to factor that in. My UFA approach is usually offer them fair value and they take it or they don't.

I think one of the biggest issues with message board trade talks is everyone tries to find a lot of deals that are fair for both sides, but the reality is we see massively one sided trades all the time and we KNOW there are bad GM's in the NHL who behave in predictable ways. A GM can make 1 bad trade, it happens, but when we see 2 or more bad moves in a row I think its fine to correlate from there, especially when its nothing too egregious. If anything, the norm on here that never takes this into account is more flawed imo.

NYR has 4 D prospects and 3 open roster spots. I would be open to seeing how they are ranked and that some of them wont be moved, but saying all of them wont be makes no sense. The trade aligns well with all their goals, especially if you believe they are looking to move out Strome. The Buch and Goodrow trade/signing are unjustifiable bad imo. Ideally and originally I wanted the trade to be Kadri for Buch 1 for 1 but they kind of beat me to the punch there and there aren't many teams where you can trade Kadri too that make sense with his NTC.

NSH just gave away Ellis and Arvidsson for futures, and Forsberg is pissed about it (via his insta) and is a pending UFA. I stated above that I'd rather get a UFA than Forsberg anyways but the point on him was to have fun more so than make sense. My only strong point here is that NSH is absolutely rebuilding and thinking otherwise is either not paying attention of being a silly goose. So it doesn't matter who their goalie is, they are trying to win, and if they can capitalize on a goalie (that I forced myself to trade for as signing Gru was against the rules I set for myself) would be a wise moves as goalies never return much in a trade. Outside of prospects NSH has like 1 maybe 2 good forwards, to say they don't need one is silly.

I targeted Nash because he is one of the best shutdown players in the league and COL is trying to win now. I made a rule I wouldn't be relying on prospects, so getting a proven specialist on the cheap makes sense for depth. It also makes the Avs a nightmare defensively. There are other depth player options but I like to target guys who are elite in certain areas.

I think if you say Gabe isn't staying then you need to try and replace him by parts. The biggest being his loss in 2 way play which you replace best with a Danault, who I also really like and can age well for you. He is a VERY different player than Kadri but I really love the fit here a lot.