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Put it into gear

Created by: MartysBetter29
Initial Creation Date: Jul 26, 2021
Published: Jul 26 at 6:42
Team: 2021-22 New Jersey Devils
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Sharangovich, Yegor2$2,000,000
Foote, Cal3$1,200,000
Kuokkanen, Janne2$1,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Hamilton, Dougie7$9,000,000
Murray, Ryan2$3,500,000
Trades
NJD
  1. Foote, Cal [RFA Rights]
  2. Johnson, Tyler
TBL
  1. Okhotyuk, Nikita
  2. Thompson, Tyce
  3. 2022 2nd round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Henrique, Adam
ANA
  1. Subban, P.K. ($2,500,000 retained)
  2. Johnson, Tyler
NJD
  1. Meier, Timo
SJS
  1. Butcher, Will
  2. Boqvist, Jesper
  3. Walsh, Reilly
  4. 2022 1st round pick (NJD)
Additional Details:
*Condition: If NJD makes playoffs pick is a 2022 1st. If NJD misses playoffs pick is unprotected 2023 1st*
NJD
  1. Fleury, Marc-André
VGK
  1. Brady, Cole [Reserve List]
  2. 2022 4th round pick (EDM)
  3. 2023 3rd round pick (NJD)
Buyouts
  • Cory Schneider: $2,000,000
Retained Salary Transactions
  • P.K. Subban: $2,500,000 (27.78%)
  • Will Butcher: $910,569 (24%)
Recapture Fees
  • Ilya Kovalchuk: $250,000
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
NJD
NJD
NYI
NJD
CBJ
NJD
NJD
2023
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
2024
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$75,926,402$0$4,500,000$5,573,598
Left WingCenterRight Wing
NJD
Bratt, Jesper
$2,750,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
NJD
Hischier, Nico
$7,250,000
C
UFA - 6
SJS
Meier, Timo
$6,000,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
NJD
Kuokkanen, Janne
$1,500,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
NJD
Hughes, Jack
$925,000
C
RFA - 1
NJD
Sharangovich, Yegor
$2,000,000
RW, LW, C
RFA - 2
NJD
Zacha, Pavel
$2,250,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
ANA
Henrique, Adam
$5,825,000
C
NTC
UFA - 3
NJD
Holtz, Alexander
$925,000
RW, LW
RFA - 3
NJD
Wood, Miles
$2,750,000
LW
RFA - 1
NJD
Mcleod, Michael
$975,000
C
RFA - 2
NJD
Mercer, Dawson
$894,167
RW
RFA - 3
NJD
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
NJD
Graves, Ryan
$3,166,667
LD
UFA - 2
Hamilton, Dougie
$9,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 7
NJD
Blackwood, Mackenzie
$2,800,000
G
RFA - 2
NJD
Smith, Ty
$863,333
LD/RD
RFA - 2
NJD
Severson, Damon
$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 2
VGK
Fleury, Marc-André
$7,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
NJD
Murray, Ryan
$3,500,000
LD
UFA - 1
Foote, Cal
$1,200,000
RD
RFA - 2
NJD
Siegenthaler, Jonas
$1,125,000
LD
RFA - 2

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Jul 26 at 6:48
#1
AntreDiAnaheim
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Edited Jul 26 at 6:54
Way too much cap for Anaheim to be taking on for no compensation
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Jul 26 at 6:48
#2
First NY Then LA
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As a goalie fan, you should know better. That package gets you Jiri Patera, not Marc-Andre Fleury.
Jul 26 at 6:58
#3
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MartysBetter
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Quoting: AntreDiAnaheim
Way too much cap for Anaheim to be taking on for compensation


Even for one year of Subban? From then on it is $825k cheaper for a player at the same age, same position, and almost identical stats. Not gonna lie I like Rico as a player better but it seems like both he and Anaheim want to move on. Hopefully Johnson would click well and play a better leadership role as the next wave of Ducks develop.

Really don't care much about the Subban part, just thought it would be fair for Anaheim to take some salary for one season help balance the deal since Johnson's hit is lower. Thought Anaheim could either retain half of him and get something at the deadline or see if he ended up being a good fit and they could resign him for muchhhh cheaper in the offseason. But if that isn't of interest I'd be fine taking him out of the deal and finding another trade partner. Which would leave Johnson for Henrique 1for1...
Jul 26 at 7:02
#4
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MartysBetter
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
As a goalie fan, you should know better. That package gets you Jiri Patera, not Marc-Andre Fleury.


I get where you're coming from but I really have a hard time getting a gauge on the Fleury situation. Under normal circumstances, you're absolutely right. But it isn't exactly a secret that Vegas desperately needs to shed goalie salary. Before last season the "insiders" were talking about Vegas adding compensation along with Fleury to get his deal off the books. I get that he's had a Vezina season in the time since, but it's not like he was bad before then. It just comes down to how many teams can possibly afford Fleury's entire 7M salary? And of them, who is willing to give up any significant assets to eat that salary and then potentially lose the player in UFA next year? I don't know the answer but its a weird situation. I wouldn't be shocked if Fleury got traded for a 1st/2nd. I also wouldn't be suprised if he got traded for more like a 4th.
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Jul 26 at 7:13
#5
First NY Then LA
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Quoting: MartysBetter29
I get where you're coming from but I really have a hard time getting a gauge on the Fleury situation. Under normal circumstances, you're absolutely right. But it isn't exactly a secret that Vegas desperately needs to shed goalie salary. Before last season the "insiders" were talking about Vegas adding compensation along with Fleury to get his deal off the books. I get that he's had a Vezina season in the time since, but it's not like he was bad before then. It just comes down to how many teams can possibly afford Fleury's entire 7M salary? And of them, who is willing to give up any significant assets to eat that salary and then potentially lose the player in UFA next year? I don't know the answer but its a weird situation. I wouldn't be shocked if Fleury got traded for a 1st/2nd. I also wouldn't be surprised if he got traded for more like a 4th.


Your premise that Las Vegas needs to shed a goalie cap hit doesn't strike me as absolutely true. I think that if they can move Reilly Smith, they can re-up Alec Martinez and carry the same team forward next season. Of course, that doesn't address their weakness at center; if they are going to address that flaw, your premise IS absolutely true. (Maybe they hope the Nolan Patrick ugly duckling will turn into a swan.) We'll see!
Jul 26 at 7:20
#6
First NY Then LA
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Quoting: MartysBetter29
Even for one year of Subban? From then on it is $825k cheaper for a player at the same age, same position, and almost identical stats. Not gonna lie I like Rico as a player better but it seems like both he and Anaheim want to move on. Hopefully Johnson would click well and play a better leadership role as the next wave of Ducks develop.

Really don't care much about the Subban part, just thought it would be fair for Anaheim to take some salary for one season help balance the deal since Johnson's hit is lower. Thought Anaheim could either retain half of him and get something at the deadline or see if he ended up being a good fit and they could resign him for muchhhh cheaper in the offseason. But if that isn't of interest I'd be fine taking him out of the deal and finding another trade partner. Which would leave Johnson for Henrique 1for1...


Let's assume for the moment that Henrique = Johnson, more or less. What's our compensation for taking Subban off your hands? It's not as if we don't already have veterans at RD (Manson and Shattenkirk), and Subban's cap hit will only get worse (vis-a-vis performance) as his contract plays out.
Jul 26 at 7:58
#7
In Eklund We Trust
Joined: Jun 2020
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Likes: 679
Sharks accept
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Jul 26 at 8:03
#8
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MartysBetter
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Your premise that Las Vegas needs to shed a goalie cap hit doesn't strike me as absolutely true. I think that if they can move Reilly Smith, they can re-up Alec Martinez and carry the same team forward next season. Of course, that doesn't address their weakness at center; if they are going to address that flaw, your premise IS absolutely true. (Maybe they hope the Nolan Patrick ugly duckling will turn into a swan.) We'll see!


Yeah it'll be interesting to see how it works out either way.
Jul 26 at 8:05
#9
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MartysBetter
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Let's assume for the moment that Henrique = Johnson, more or less. What's our compensation for taking Subban off your hands? It's not as if we don't already have veterans at RD (Manson and Shattenkirk), and Subban's cap hit will only get worse (vis-a-vis performance) as his contract plays out.


I have no issue removing Subban from the deal then. I believe he has positive value with retention but I can certainly understand why others feel differently. NJ is so far from cap issues that they can handle his salary for the one remaining year. So then it is Johnson for Henrique straight up.
Jul 26 at 10:22
#10
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I think I take that. I dont think the devils will be good by 2023 so im just hoping its Bedard
Jul 26 at 10:27
#11
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MartysBetter
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Quoting: papishark
I think I take that. I dont think the devils will be good by 2023 so im just hoping its Bedard


That would be the risk/reward. NJ would be betting on themselves here. If they make the playoffs in either '22/'23 that pick doesn't hurt too bad. If they miss in '22 and have another bad season in '23 it could end up catastrophic. I'd only do this deal after a hypothetical Hamilton signing which would give me more faith in NJ making it one of the next two seasons.
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Jul 26 at 10:29
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Quoting: MartysBetter29
That would be the risk/reward. NJ would be betting on themselves here. If they make the playoffs in either '22/'23 that pick doesn't hurt too bad. If they miss in '22 and have another bad season in '23 it could end up catastrophic. I'd only do this deal after a hypothetical Hamilton signing which would give me more faith in NJ making it one of the next two seasons.


Fair enough. I think 2022 firsts seem to have crazy value, and NJ isnt all that good so it seems somewhat a better deal.
Jul 26 at 10:57
#13
Goodbye, CapFriendly
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Think I'd do that as well. The "make the playoffs" condition is a bit rich for me though. I'd rather it be like top-10 protected. But this is better than like 99.99% of the Meier trades I see so, I shouldn't be complaining.
Jul 27 at 12:42
#14
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MartysBetter
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
As a goalie fan, you should know better. That package gets you Jiri Patera, not Marc-Andre Fleury.


And there it is lol. Turns out even my lowball was more than he went for.
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Jul 27 at 12:46
#15
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Quoting: MartysBetter29
And there it is lol. Turns out even my lowball was more than he went for.


Boy, was I ever wrong! And it's hard to judge whether I was "wronger" about this or the Ristolainen trade.

You get the last laugh!
Jul 27 at 1:36
#16
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MartysBetter
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Boy, was I ever wrong! And it's hard to judge whether I was "wronger" about this or the Ristolainen trade.

You get the last laugh!


Ha it really is impossible to tell right now this league has gone crazy. I still think that the only one who was really wrong about the Ristolainen trade was Fletcher.
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