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Weird idea on left wing

Created by: larter232
Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 27, 2021
Published: Aug. 27, 2021
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Now i fully understand its a bit of a WTF idea, i really do, but he has the skill set, speed, as well as the synergy to play with matts and marner, gets sandin and liljegren a spot to play.

Its not unheard of in the NHL for players to play both positions. If he was half as good in the position as he is as a offensive defenseman with some defensive upside, he would be better than all other options.


Look i know its weird but really think about it for a few minutes and then comment if you are gonna.
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Hes the only contract i just dont see working. Not a bad player by any means, with a ton of potential upside, but the leafs need either a sure thing, or someone whos gonna go on ltir.
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Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:16 p.m.
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rielly has cement hands with no offensive skill other than his wrist shot...
Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:16 p.m.
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Or just trade him for a LW
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Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:16 p.m.
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He. Is. A. Defenceman.
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Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:17 p.m.
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Quoting: Jakeixdeep
rielly has cement hands with no offensive skill other than his wrist shot... delete this while u can brother


Lol he has offensive skill
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Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:18 p.m.
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Quoting: mauston_atthews
Lol he has offensive skill


other than his wrist shot ? nah
Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:20 p.m.
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Quoting: mauston_atthews
Lol he has offensive skill


Rielly doesn’t have offensive skill that will translate to playing the wing.
Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:21 p.m.
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Majority of the players that have tried it played forward at some point in their lives growing up.

Rielly never has (at least since he's been a teen).

It's a completely different position, it wouldn't work, and it's why 99.9% of players don't play dual positions (F & D).
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Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:23 p.m.
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Quoting: NYRFan92360244
Or just trade him for a LW


Very available option, lets assume we cant make any big trades before the season though.

For what he is he absolutly could fetch a very solid left winger, but from which team and which player is not something anyone on this website would be able to agree on from the 50 rielly trades ive seen.

Would he be a worse option the Ritchie Soup Kerfoot Bunting or Robertson? I dont think so, no small amount of leafs fans think sandin is close enough and just needs the experience, so he gets it and its revealed he cant hang rielly just slots back into the position. Its lower risk than trading him. IMO
Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:24 p.m.
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Quoting: mauston_atthews
He. Is. A. Defenceman.


Quoting: Barilko14
Majority of the players that have tried it played forward at some point in their lives growing up.

Rielly never has (at least since he's been a teen).

It's a completely different position, it wouldn't work, and it's why 99.9% of players don't play dual positions (F & D).


Very very fair thats a very good reason as to why it wouldnt work.
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Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:26 p.m.
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
Rielly doesn’t have offensive skill that will translate to playing the wing.


Could you do me a favour and elaborate on this here, im not sure i fully understand?

What skills do wingers need to have that he doesnt have? (not trying to sound hostile here just genuinly do not know)
Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:29 p.m.
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There are positional transitions in high caliber hockey that are, I can't say common, but easier. Center to wing. Left wing to right wing (and vice versa). I've seen a few defense to centers. Rarely a wing to center. Forward to defense has been done, but is also rare. And usually would be a Center to defenseman. Defenseman to wing is also rare. The positions are just so different from each other. So although a defenseman may seem like they can only contribute offensively, that is still their best spot. A good coach will pair them with a defensive dman or a very strong two way dman to allow their offensive talents to shine.

Think of someone like Karlsson when he was good. He was typically paired with someone like Phillips or Methot.
Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:30 p.m.
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Morgan Rielly has played his best hockey with Ron Hainsey and now with Brodie. Don't change it.
Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:32 p.m.
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Quoting: faulkmydzingel
There are positional transitions in high caliber hockey that are, I can't say common, but easier. Center to wing. Left wing to right wing (and vice versa). I've seen a few defense to centers. Rarely a wing to center. Forward to defense has been done, but is also rare. And usually would be a Center to defenseman. Defenseman to wing is also rare. The positions are just so different from each other. So although a defenseman may seem like they can only contribute offensively, that is still their best spot. A good coach will pair them with a defensive dman or a very strong two way dman to allow their offensive talents to shine.

Think of someone like Karlsson when he was good. He was typically paired with someone like Phillips or Methot.


I really enjoy this look at it very fair points all around.
Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:34 p.m.
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I really enjoy this look at it very fair points all around.


Thanks. I am expecting a call anytime here from Dubas to be the next head coach.
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Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:44 p.m.
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Quoting: Jakeixdeep
other than his wrist shot ? nah


He’s one of the best transition and offensive play driving defenceman in the league. He jumps in the play a lot and creates chances, has great vision, and his wrister you mentioned.
Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:46 p.m.
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He’s one of the best transition and offensive play driving defenceman in the league. He jumps in the play a lot and creates chances, has great vision, and his wrister you mentioned.


his stats are padded because he plays with matthews or tavares full time. he isnt that good
Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:46 p.m.
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Quoting: larter232
I really enjoy this look at it very fair points all around.


My two cents.

Have you ever played pick-up hockey?

Sometimes you play with or against a decent player who can regularly beat 2 or 3 guys with speed or decent puck handling and then they get in alone with the goalie and they hit them in the chest every time.

You can just tell that even though they definitely played a decent level of hockey, they obviously played D most of their life because they have no finish.

Rielly gets about 10 or so great chances per year and finishes on a 1 or 2 at most. He's not a finisher (most Dmen aren't).

A step further, in the O-zone Rielly is used to getting the puck at the point and having a second or two to decide where to put the puck and 19 times out of 20 he'll likely make the safe play and go point to point or just toss it down the boards.

It's a completely different world to go get and make a smart play with the puck from the corner.

Watch him when he gets in deeper with the puck, majority of the time he chucks it to the net (safer play than a turnover). Dmen rarely have the patience to find an open man when pressured because that's not their game (in the o-zone).

Those split second hesitations that would happen is big enough to make it near impossible to make this type of position change.
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Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:47 p.m.
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his stats are padded because he plays with matthews or tavares full time. he isnt that good


you want offensive skills. look at chabot, makar.. rielly is a very simple dmen .. sure he skates well and can shoot the puck sometimes but he isnt a real top 2
Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:51 p.m.
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Quoting: Jakeixdeep
his stats are padded because he plays with matthews or tavares full time. he isnt that good


He's likely a touch overrated overall due to some pretty glaring defensive deficiencies, but he's definitely a great offensive dman.
Aug. 27, 2021 at 4:51 p.m.
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My two cents.

Have you ever played pick-up hockey?

Sometimes you play with or against a decent player who can regularly beat 2 or 3 guys with speed or decent puck handling and then they get in alone with the goalie and they hit them in the chest every time.

You can just tell that even though they definitely played a decent level of hockey, they obviously played D most of their life because they have no finish.

Rielly gets about 10 or so great chances per year and finishes on a 1 or 2 at most. He's not a finisher (most Dmen aren't).

A step further, in the O-zone Rielly is used to getting the puck at the point and having a second or two to decide where to put the puck and 19 times out of 20 he'll likely make the safe play and go point to point or just toss it down the boards.

It's a completely different world to go get and make a smart play with the puck from the corner.

Watch him when he gets in deeper with the puck, majority of the time he chucks it to the net (safer play than a turnover). Dmen rarely have the patience to find an open man when pressured because that's not their game (in the o-zone).

Those split second hesitations that would happen is big enough to make it near impossible to make this type of position change.


Hmmm Thank you for taking the time to write that for me, it has very much assisted my evaluation of this situation. I can see quite clearly what you mean.
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Aug. 27, 2021 at 5:13 p.m.
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Quoting: Jakeixdeep
his stats are padded because he plays with matthews or tavares full time. he isnt that good


He plays with them for a reason lol, and puts up pretty good results with them. It’s not like he’s sheltered either, he plays against the best of the best of other teams.
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