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After the palmieri disaster

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Team: 2021-22 New York Islanders
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 1, 2021
Published: Sep. 1, 2021
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Its a terrible contract. We gave a declining 30+ player a 4 year deal worth more aav than he ever shouldve gotten.
The 1 saving grace was his disaster shot% last year which usually indicates a regression to the mean. Hopefully he still is the palmieri we knew in NJD, but either way considering the concerns its an overpay.

There are 2 possible options here.
1. What i did in my acgm.
2. Delete the ARI and TOR trades and the donato signing. Play aho at LD3 and send hickey down.
Both options are ok imo, tho id rather the one i did.
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3$875,000
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2$850,000
2$850,000
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1$750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
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  1. Pettersson, Marcus
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  1. Bellows, Kieffer [RFA Rights]
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  1. 2022 4th round pick (PIT)
  2. 2022 7th round pick (PIT)
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  1. Pánik, Richard
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NYI
ARI
  1. Aho, Sebastian
  2. Hickey, Thomas
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NYI
  1. Dermott, Travis
TOR
  1. 2022 3rd round pick (NYI)
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2022
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23$81,500,000$81,404,363$1,365,854$1,325,000$95,637
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Lee, Anders
$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW
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UFA - 5
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Barzal, Mathew
$7,000,000$7,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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Wahlstrom, Oliver
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
RW
RFA - 2
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Beauvillier, Anthony
$4,150,000$4,150,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
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Nelson, Brock
$6,000,000$6,000,000
C, LW
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UFA - 4
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Bailey, Josh
$5,000,000$5,000,000
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UFA - 3
Parise, Zach
$750,000$750,000
LW
UFA - 1
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Pageau, Jean-Gabriel
$5,000,000$5,000,000
C
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UFA - 5
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Palmieri, Kyle
$5,000,000$5,000,000
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Martin, Matt
$1,500,000$1,500,000
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Cizikas, Casey
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Clutterbuck, Cal
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UFA - 1
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Pelech, Adam
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LD
UFA - 8
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Pulock, Ryan
$5,000,000$5,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
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Varlamov, Semyon
$5,000,000$5,000,000
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UFA - 2
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Pettersson, Marcus
$4,025,175$4,025,175
LD
UFA - 4
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Dobson, Noah
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
RD
RFA - 1
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Sorokin, Ilya
$4,000,000$4,000,000
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Mayfield, Scott
$1,450,000$1,450,000
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UFA - 2
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Dermott, Travis
$1,500,000$1,500,000
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UFA - 2
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Greene, Andy
$750,000$750,000 (Performance Bonus$250,000$250K)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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Boychuk, Johnny
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Zajac, Travis
$750,000$750,000
C
UFA
Donato, Ryan
$750,000$750,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
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Johnston, Ross
$1,000,000$1,000,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LW
UFA - 1
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Komarov, Leo
$3,000,000$3,000,000 ($1,875,000$2M$1,875,000$2M)
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Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:03 p.m.
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I mean they should signed Saad at this point
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Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:04 p.m.
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Pettersson + 6th for Komorov, Bellows, 2nd, 4th? Help out both teams imo
Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:04 p.m.
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I posted in the other thread but I'll just repeat myself and say that I don't think it's that bad at all. It's not a steal like Pelech or Beau but it's reasonable IMO.

Also - Palms will be playing with Lee and Barzal. Will bounce back. 25-30 goals inbound.
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Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:06 p.m.
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Quoting: csick
I mean they should signed Saad at this point


Palmieri is a better finisher , which is what the isles need. Saad got more term and only 500 k less
Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:06 p.m.
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Palmieri is a better finisher , which is what the isles need. Saad got more term and only 500 k less


A couple years younger too
Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:07 p.m.
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Palmeri for 30 goals this year playing with Barzal.
Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:08 p.m.
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A couple years younger too


Saad’s game is based on speed. When he slows down, he won’t be as effective. Palmieri’s game doesn’t predicate his game in strengths that will regress quickly.
Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:13 p.m.
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Younger than Eberle and costs 500k less. I swear no one is happy unless everyone takes a cizikas-esque discount. What would you have preferred happen that is actually reasonable?
Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:17 p.m.
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Palmieri is still good for 20-25 goals a year. $5 million is a reasonable rate.
Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:22 p.m.
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Pettersson + 6th for Komorov, Bellows, 2nd, 4th? Help out both teams imo


No. If i can id like to keep leo. No one will take him if we send him down but hes still a decent player and is a perfect sub for the 4th line.
Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:23 p.m.
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No. If i can id like to keep leo. No one will take him if we send him down but hes still a decent player and is a perfect sub for the 4th line.


then youre the only one i guess. Others want to keep him dumped or trade him away so you have more cap space for guys like Parise and Zajac
Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:24 p.m.
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Quoting: joshelkin
I posted in the other thread but I'll just repeat myself and say that I don't think it's that bad at all. It's not a steal like Pelech or Beau but it's reasonable IMO.

Also - Palms will be playing with Lee and Barzal. Will bounce back. 25-30 goals inbound.


I was hoping that would be wallys spot. But even if not it will be next year. So 3 years playing 3rd line shutdown minutes isnt ideal at 5 million for a declining forward whose calling card was his shot.
Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:25 p.m.
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then youre the only one i guess. Others want to keep him dumped or trade him away so you have more cap space for guys like Parise and Zajac


No i agree thats why i said if possible. But rn theres no need to move him so why would i pay for that? And hes also a decent player. If we needed the cap that would be a different story.
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Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:27 p.m.
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Saad’s game is based on speed. When he slows down, he won’t be as effective. Palmieri’s game doesn’t predicate his game in strengths that will regress quickly.


Palmieri plays a heavy style of hockey. As he ages hes gonna start getting injured more and more. (Sounds kind of familiar, kind of like andrew ladd).
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Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:27 p.m.
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No i agree thats why i said if possible. But rn theres no need to move him so why would i pay for that? And hes also a decent player. If we needed the cap that would be a different story.


my bad. I think though that the pens wont trade Pettersson for picks. Hextall said he wantsd to do hockey trades, and when I saw this it made perfect sense.
Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:28 p.m.
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Palmieri plays a heavy style of hockey. As he ages hes gonna start getting injured more and more. (Sounds kind of familiar, kind of like andrew ladd).


If he gets injured then sure it will speed up his decline. There are plenty of players that play a heavy style that aren’t injury prone, so it’s just speculation at this point. Ladd fell off a cliff before he joined the isles and his style of play isn’t remotely close to Palmieri’s
Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:28 p.m.
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Younger than Eberle and costs 500k less. I swear no one is happy unless everyone takes a cizikas-esque discount. What would you have preferred happen that is actually reasonable?


Ive said the entire offseason i didnt want palmieri for more than 2 years. If we were giving him term then i wanted less aav. If he wanst willing then let him go. There was no need to sign him to this deal.
Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:29 p.m.
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my bad. I think though that the pens wont trade Pettersson for picks. Hextall said he wantsd to do hockey trades, and when I saw this it made perfect sense.


Yeah pettersson for bellows 1 for 1.
Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:31 p.m.
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Yeah pettersson for bellows 1 for 1.


And by hockey trade i think he also meant not for older (24YO or higher) prospects that need there chance right now or they are busts.
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Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:33 p.m.
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If he gets injured then sure it will speed up his decline. There are plenty of players that play a heavy style that aren’t injury prone, so it’s just speculation at this point. Ladd fell off a cliff before he joined the isles and his style of play isn’t remotely close to Palmieri’s


Hes over 30 years old. Most players who play a very heavy style of hockey like palmieri does start to fall off at around 30-31yo. They start getting injured a lot bc their body cant hold up anymore as it ages. I mentioned ladd just bc of the injuries and what i think unfortunately palmieri will become.
Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:39 p.m.
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Hes over 30 years old. Most players who play a very heavy style of hockey like palmieri does start to fall off at around 30-31yo. They start getting injured a lot bc their body cant hold up anymore as it ages. I mentioned ladd just bc of the injuries and what i think unfortunately palmieri will become.


Not every player 30+ who plays a heavy style becomes injury prone. Palmieri will 100% decline over the next 4 years, that’s a given. My point is Palmieri likely won’t fall off a cliff like you’re suggesting. Players with Palmieri’s skillset usually see a slow decline. Atkinson, Craig smith , hornqvist ,, Parise, TJ Oshie are all players who play a similar style to Palmieri and not one of them has fallen off a cliff.
Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:39 p.m.
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I'm going to go way out on a limb here, and assume Lou Amarillo knows his business.
Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:41 p.m.
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I'm going to go way out on a limb here, and assume Lou Amarillo knows his business.


At least know his name. Its a 5 second google search.
Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:43 p.m.
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Not every player 30+ who plays a heavy style becomes injury prone. Palmieri will 100% decline over the next 4 years, that’s a given. My point is Palmieri likely won’t fall off a cliff like you’re suggesting. Players with Palmieri’s skillset usually see a slow decline. Atkinson, Craig smith , hornqvist ,, Parise, TJ Oshie are all players who play a similar style to Palmieri and not one of them has fallen off a cliff.


Fair enough but how many of them started declining already like palmieri.
Like i said i hope im wrong and hes mike bossy 2.0 the next 4 seasons. I'd like nothing better than to be wrong about this one. Heres to hoping i am 🤞🤞
 
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