Three headed monster and Klefboms LTIR

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Created by: Gordies_Elbow

Team: 2021-22 Edmonton Oilers

Initial Creation Date: Aug. 12, 2021

Published: Sep. 1, 2021

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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I think that Dylan Holloway makes the team out of camp this year. He is 6'01", 203lb, has speed and his play in the NCAA last year was very encouraging.

As he's a LW, I could see Edmonton moving RNH back to centre, finally creating the three headed monster that sportswriters talked about when McDavid was drafted.

I've tried to spread out the grit and size for the forwards in the top nine. They average just over 6'01" and 196lbs (even with Yamamoto.)

To use up the available LTIR space, Edmonton needs to be as close to the cap when Klefbom is put on LTIR.

I could see something like the following:
- Sign Yamamoto, 1yr, $2.120m
- Demote Turris, Russell, McLeod, Lagesson, Benson (I have Benson lost to waivers, which wouldn't be a shock.)
- Submit roster with Klefbom
- Put Klefbom on LTIR ($199 from cap.)
- Recall Turris, Russell, McLeod, Lagesson

If nothing else, I'd suggest that people take Oiler defenders in their pools this year. They have a number of defenders that can move the puck, and have more targets to hit than Edmonton has had in years.

Free Agent Signings

RFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Yamamoto, Kailer		1	$2,120,000

Trades

EDM

Waivers

ANA

Benson, Tyler

Buyouts

James Neal: $1,916,667
Andrej Sekera: $1,500,000

Retained Salary Transactions

Milan Lucic: $750,000 (12.5%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$81,232,801	$669,339	$1,250,000	$267,199

Roster

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Hyman, Zach $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW NMC UFA - 7	McDavid, Connor $12,500,000$12,500,000 C UFA - 5	Kassian, Zack $3,200,000$3,200,000 RW UFA - 3
Foegele, Warren $2,750,000$2,750,000 LW, RW UFA - 3	Draisaitl, Leon $8,500,000$8,500,000 C, LW UFA - 4	Yamamoto, Kailer $2,120,000$2,120,000 RW RFA - 1
Holloway, Dylan $925,000$925,000 ($400,000$400K) LW, C RFA - 3	Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan $5,125,000$5,125,000 LW, C NMC UFA - 8	Puljujärvi, Jesse $1,175,000$1,175,000 RW UFA - 1
Shore, Devin $850,000$850,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 2	Ryan, Derek $1,250,000$1,250,000 C, RW UFA - 2	Archibald, Josh $1,500,000$1,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Nurse, Darnell $5,600,000$5,600,000 LD UFA - 1	Barrie, Tyson $4,500,000$4,500,000 RD UFA - 3	Koskinen, Mikko $4,500,000$4,500,000 G M-NTC UFA - 1
Keith, Duncan $5,538,462$5,538,462 LD NMC UFA - 2	Ceci, Cody $3,250,000$3,250,000 RD UFA - 4	Smith, Mike $2,200,000$2,200,000 G UFA - 2
Koekkoek, Slater $925,000$925,000 LD/RD UFA - 2	Bouchard, Evan $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Turris, Kyle $1,650,000$1,650,000 C, RW UFA - 1		Klefbom, Oscar $4,167,000$4,167,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2
Russell, Kris $1,250,000$1,250,000 LD/RD UFA - 1
Lagesson, William $725,000$725,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Draisaitl, L.		McDavid, C.		Hyman, Z.
	Foegele, W.		Barrie, T.

Power Play 2
Holloway, D.		Nugent-Hopkins, R.		Yamamoto, K.
	Keith, D.		Bouchard, E.

Penalty Kill 1
	Ryan, D.	Archibald, J.
	Nurse, D.	Ceci, C.

Penalty Kill 2
	Nugent-Hopkins, R.	Kassian, Z.
	Koekkoek, S.	Bouchard, E.

Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:43 p.m.

Copenhagen

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I like this lineup. Only thing is we will see how Benson is during training camp and have him instead of Shore and Lagesson sent to waivers.

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Sep. 1, 2021 at 12:49 p.m.

CD282

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The Oiler see Holloway as a center, not as a winger.

And Yamamoto will get less AAV or more term, something like Dube got probably.

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Sep. 1, 2021 at 1:09 p.m.

Gordies_Elbow

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Quoting: CD282

The Oiler see Holloway as a center, not as a winger.

And Yamamoto will get less AAV or more term, something like Dube got probably.

Longer term, I'd agree that Holloway will be a centre, but Tippet has shown he likes veterans in those roles if he has them.

I had the Yamamoto bridge deal to max Klefbom's LTIR. They need to be at the maximum of cap when he's put on to LTIR for relief. If he signs for less, Holland will have to play with the contracts to get the maximum for LTIR (I think.)

Sep. 1, 2021 at 1:12 p.m.

Gordies_Elbow

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Quoting: Copenhagen

I like this lineup. Only thing is we will see how Benson is during training camp and have him instead of Shore and Lagesson sent to waivers.

I really like Benson and would hate to lose him, but I can see Tippet wanting the veteran of 326 NHL games over Benson's 7. That, and Shore is 6'01", 206lbs, and can play a checker game, which is what I expect from the 4th line.

Sep. 1, 2021 at 1:25 p.m.

mm1010

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Quoting: Gordies_Elbow

THey are already over the cap so they will get max relief as is.

also for shuffling chairs i would rather send down bouchard as he requires no waivers. then you dont lose benson for nothing and then keep turris in the minors as no one wants him any ways.

Sep. 1, 2021 at 1:46 p.m.

Copenhagen

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Quoting: mm1010

Well who plays RD is Bouchard is sent down???

Sep. 1, 2021 at 2:18 p.m.

mm1010

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Quoting: Copenhagen

Well who plays RD is Bouchard is sent down???

he is sent down for a paper transaction when the season starts Oilers then place Klefbom on LTIR and he is brought back up. never leaves the city and is done in a couple hours.

so bouchard plays RD

Sep. 1, 2021 at 2:28 p.m.

Gordies_Elbow

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Quoting: mm1010

THey are already over the cap so they will get max relief as is.

Can you explain how that works in relation to the calculation for the Accruable Cap Space Limit (ACSL)? I thought that you had to present a roster close to the cap in order to get relief, otherwise you're just using your cap space, and not ACSL.

??

Sep. 1, 2021 at 2:47 p.m.

CD282

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Quoting: Gordies_Elbow

Longer term, I'd agree that Holloway will be a centre, but Tippet has shown he likes veterans in those roles if he has them.

Tippett had McLeod centering the 2nd line at times in the playoffs, with Nuge at LW. I don't think he'll be afraid to start Holloway at center if that's where he thinks he should be.

Quoting: Gordies_Elbow

I had the Yamamoto bridge deal to max Klefbom's LTIR. They need to be at the maximum of cap when he's put on to LTIR for relief. If he signs for less, Holland will have to play with the contracts to get the maximum for LTIR (I think.)

That's fine, but get 2 or 3 years if you're going over $2M.

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Sep. 1, 2021 at 2:54 p.m.

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Tippett had McLeod centering the 2nd line at times in the playoffs, with Nuge at LW. I don't think he'll be afraid to start Holloway at center if that's where he thinks he should be.

Possible, but McLeod has only played 58 shifts in the playoffs, for a total of under 42 minutes.

Really small sample size.

Sep. 1, 2021 at 2:54 p.m.

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mm1010

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Quoting: Gordies_Elbow

they will not have any accruable space they will just be able to exceed the cap by 4.16 same as last season. any move the oilers make will be dollars in dollars out. No accurable space when utilizing LTIR

Sep. 1, 2021 at 2:58 p.m.

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Quoting: mm1010

You might want to read the LTIR FAQ page on this site, and the basic equation example. If they aren't at the cap when putting the player on LTIR, they consume their existing cap space, rather than having a pool.

If Edmonton's at $79.5m when Klefbom is put on LTIR, what's the relief pool?

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Sep. 1, 2021 at 3:03 p.m.

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Quoting: Gordies_Elbow

You might want to read the LTIR FAQ page on this site.

youmight want to re read it

Quoting: Gordies_Elbow

The Basic Equation
The basic equation can be used throughout the NHL regular season, and during the off-season:
ACSL = Salary cap upper limit - team cap space

Example: The 2017-18 upper limit is $75M, a team with a projected cap hit of $74.9M places a player with an AAV of $5M on LTIR:
Upper limit = $75M
Team cap space = $0.1M
ACSL = $75M - $0.1M = $74.9M
If the team decides that they do not need to recall a player, and instead reassign a player to the AHL, they would begin to accrue cap space because they are operating below the ACSL.

read the last line..... you recalled players.... thus you are over the upper limit which means no ACSL

Sep. 1, 2021 at 3:08 p.m.

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Quoting: mm1010

youmight want to re read it

The Basic Equation
The basic equation can be used throughout the NHL regular season, and during the off-season:
ACSL = Salary cap upper limit - team cap space

Example: The 2017-18 upper limit is $75M, a team with a projected cap hit of $74.9M places a player with an AAV of $5M on LTIR:
Upper limit = $75M
Team cap space = $0.1M
ACSL = $75M - $0.1M = $74.9M
If the team decides that they do not need to recall a player, and instead reassign a player to the AHL, they would begin to accrue cap space because they are operating below the ACSL.

read the last line..... you recalled players.... thus you are over the upper limit which means no ACSL

Yes, but the key is that they have to be at the cap when the player is put on LTIR. If they have any space, it is consumed and not part of the relief pool, right?

Any cap space that they have when Klefbom is put on LTIR reduces the relief pool, right?

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Sep. 1, 2021 at 3:11 p.m.

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mm1010

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Quoting: Gordies_Elbow

they will want to be right at 81.5 when the place kelfbom on LTIR which they willbe as they are already over the cap.
That will allow them to have 4.16 mill in relief for the season.

That pool stays at 4.16 it does not change for the season unless klefbom comes off LTIR or another player is placed on LTIR.

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Sep. 1, 2021 at 3:12 p.m.

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Quoting: mm1010

Ok, yep, that's what I thought. So long as they're at the cap when he's put on LTIR, they have the maximum relief pool.

Sep. 1, 2021 at 3:24 p.m.

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Quoting: CD282

Tippett had McLeod centering the 2nd line at times in the playoffs, with Nuge at LW. I don't think he'll be afraid to start Holloway at center if that's where he thinks he should be.

That's fine, but get 2 or 3 years if you're going over $2M.

Yamamoto wont even get 2 million over 2 years probably not even 1.75.

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