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Suter should be in there over Hughes. too many offensive dmen in the lineup. Suter is still a really strong shutdown dman

Sep. 9, 2021 at 9:42 a.m.

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Suter should be in there over Hughes. too many offensive dmen in the lineup. Suter is still a really strong shutdown dman

Like 20 guys over Hughes.

Sep. 9, 2021 at 9:43 a.m.

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Mike Sullivan is the coach, there will be no grind. Connor Sheary will be first line LW

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Sep. 9, 2021 at 9:46 a.m.

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Like 20 guys over Hughes.

At this point I would agree that he isn't even making the team - just not enough experience in high importance games and defensively isn't quite good enough yet.

Sep. 9, 2021 at 9:47 a.m.

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At this point I would agree that he isn't even making the team - just not enough experience in high importance games and defensively isn't quite good enough yet.

He’s just not good enough at hockey.

Sep. 9, 2021 at 9:49 a.m.

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He’s just not good enough at hockey.

Well thats just not true.

Sep. 9, 2021 at 10:12 a.m.

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Well thats just not true.

Sure it is. He stinks at 5 on 5, and is awesome on the PP. but fox is better on the PP, so there’s no reason to have him.

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Sep. 9, 2021 at 10:18 a.m.

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I agree,the usa should bring and play worse players over better ones

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Sep. 9, 2021 at 10:27 a.m.

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Quoting: Jupetto

Suter should be in there over Hughes. too many offensive dmen in the lineup. Suter is still a really strong shutdown dman

Fair point

Sep. 9, 2021 at 10:30 a.m.

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I agree,the usa should bring and play worse players over better ones

I'm a Hawks fan and I'd take Wheeler over Debrincat , Guentzal, Gaudreau, and Oshie ANY DAY. Hell I'd take Kreider, Nelson, Lee, Pacoriretty over those guys......

Defense wins you championships. Not small players who can get thrown around. Luckily Kane has enough talent that won't be an issue.

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Sep. 9, 2021 at 10:32 a.m.

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Like 20 guys over Hughes.

I like the points on Suter over Hughes. That leaves me on a torn decision though.... McDonagh vs Suter. Tough call because McDonagh sure looked solid in playoffs and Suter hasn't looked like he used to. Players in their prime, I'd take Suter all day.

Sep. 9, 2021 at 10:41 a.m.

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I agree,the usa should bring and play worse players over better ones

Look at the history of USA teams. The two years they brought teams that are tough grinders (1997 WC and 2010 OG) they either won gold or silver. All other years you have smaller more (talented) players, they hardly medaled. It's too bad Stan would rather have a team based on talent and not a team meant to win in the games that are battles.

Sep. 9, 2021 at 11:21 a.m.

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Domoulin, Martinez, suter, McDonagh, krug, schmidt, hanifin before I even bring up Hughes name.

Sep. 9, 2021 at 11:44 a.m.

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Or they just lost other times because it's a short tournament where randomness can take over.
You bring the best team you can and hope foe the best, every other country hopes like hell the usa thinks gritty hockey over skill is the direction taken by that team

Sep. 9, 2021 at 12:28 p.m.

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Apparently, you don’t watch playoffs. How’s Toronto or Colorado doing?
Oh yeah, two of the most talented teams were ousted early in the playoffs.
Tampa bay is talented, but they also have a good amount of grit in their game.
Dallas didn’t get to the finals with just talent, Montreal didn’t, Nashville didn’t.
The common theme here.
You need top-end talent though to win.
Kane and Matthew’s are your top-end talent.
Canada has a lot more as well, but going with the guys I keep referencing will get you a winning record in preliminarys and knocked out quickly after that.

Sep. 9, 2021 at 2:03 p.m.

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Quoting: JaredOfLondon

If you look at the long list of Stanley Cup Champions, each one had a combination of Grit/Role Players and Talented Players. If you add Oshie, Gaudraeu, Debrincat then you will have an lopsided mix of talent.
On top of this, if you want to play the style of game that has the "most talented players" then you better compare them to who you are playing against. Canada would destroy the US on talent alone. Russia would beat the US on Talent. Sweeden and Finland would probably do the same in my opinion. Does anyone not remember 1980?

Sep. 9, 2021 at 2:49 p.m.

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One, the Olympics are not the cup. It's a one game tournament format where goal differential means something.
Two, discounting oshie as a skill guy when he's one of the most big stage clutch players the states has ever had is hilarious
Three, just because some teams have slogged their way to wins doesnt mean that is how you build a winner. Canada isnt going to care if the usa wants to grind it out, they will just cycle the worse players into dust faster than a speedier more skilled team that lacks counter punch.
The usa will have by far the strongest goaltending in the tournament and they should use that to lean the other way.

Sep. 9, 2021 at 7:19 p.m.

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Defense is what got them to OT of the gold medal game against canada in 2010. Rafalski was a beast in that olympics. Hellebuyck has the ability to match or better Ryan Millers performance from that year. I think speed and grit is the way to go as well. I think you're lineup is pretty ideal. But many will disagree and thats the way it goes. I still say Suter over Hughes as Suter can munch huge minutes and his defensive game is so strong especially against Canada and Russian offenses.

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Sep. 9, 2021 at 8:54 p.m.

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I can see you’re now a troll. Who cares about point differential in olympics? It might help you not play Canada in the first round of preliminaries.
Oshie was clutch one time on the national stage, but was still on a team who didn’t Medal ( I think). Maybe bronze.
But point is, you might be in it to have a good record, but I’m focused on winning the gold medal.

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Sep. 9, 2021 at 9:14 p.m.

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Outside of the shootout Oshie only had one goal in 2014, hardly the definition of clutch. If the olympics were just non stop shootouts then he would be there.

Sep. 9, 2021 at 9:15 p.m.

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ah yes, the "nuh uh, youre a troll because you disagree with me" reply. Always a good sign you have nothing. And goal differential, not point differential, you see when teams are otherwise tied, teams that score more goals get the tie breaker, it's pretty common knowledge for anyone who knows anything about international hockey.
Im also not saying you should have oshie on the team, just that not putting him there because he's a "skill" guy is a dumb reason.
And if you dont make the gold medal game then you cant win the gold medal game, if you are bringing grinders over more skilled players you're reducing your chances of making that gold medal game

Sep. 10, 2021 at 8:40 a.m.

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