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Created by: HatterTParty
Team: 2021-22 Chicago Blackhawks
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 21, 2021
Published: Oct. 21, 2021
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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The way things are going, this IS going to be a top 10 (minimum) draft choice in next year’s draft. Essentially, the Seth Jones acquisition will be remembered in hockey alongside the Kessel to Toronto trade that gifted the Bruins Seguin at #2 and the Avs trading duchene and getting byram at #4. So my question now is: what trade will be viewed in hindsight as worse, the panarin trade or the boqvist (I refuse to even acknowledge it as the Jones trade anymore since he hasn’t showed his worth)? Moreover, in the long run, what does this do to become relevant again? Toews and Kane are gone soon and the talent left over doesn’t come close to being a cup contender.
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  1. 2023 3rd round pick (TOR)
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2022
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2023
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24$81,500,000$66,941,714$452,439$3,415,000$14,558,286
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$842,500$842,500 (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
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$6,400,000$6,400,000
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
C
UFA - 1
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$2,625,000$2,625,000
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
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$811,667$811,667 (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
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$5,400,000$5,400,000
RD
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UFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
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UFA - 1
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$4,550,000$4,550,000
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UFA - 1
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$3,850,000$3,850,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
G
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
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ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
LD
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$3,900,000$3,900,000
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$912,500$912,500
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$850,000$850,000
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UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
C
RFA - 2
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$997,500$997,500
C, RW
UFA - 1

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Oct. 21, 2021 at 11:15 p.m.
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Dude, stop worrying another dozen or two losses in a row they'll have everything figured out, Colliton said so!
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Oct. 21, 2021 at 11:16 p.m.
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Quoting: CFMan
Dude, stop worrying another dozen or two losses in a row they'll have everything figured out, Colliton said so!


This comment better get more than just my like 🤣👍
Oct. 21, 2021 at 11:22 p.m.
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Welcome to the mediocrity club and picking 14th-17th every season and making fringe moves to sell the fanbase and never committing one way or another smile
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Oct. 21, 2021 at 11:35 p.m.
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It sure is a hard sell but I don't think Jones has been all bad. The team is bad and I think the coaching system has something to do with it. We also have had no puck luck the last 2 games in which we have out shot the opponents and kept them to 25 or less shots. our 5 on 5 play is likely the worst in the league currently. If this continues we may get a shot at Wright and send next years pick to CBJ.
Oct. 21, 2021 at 11:38 p.m.
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The “Boqvist” trade feels different from the ones you mentioned because it was immediately met with skeptics and almost universally hated by the hardcore fanbase. I almost think it’s more like the Karlsson trade than anything else, except Karlsson was still good at the time of his trade or something. Our only hope right now is that they keep on tanking and eventually retain their pick through some hardcore lottery luck. I say this because I don’t see a realistic way in which they can climb back into the playoff race EVEN if a lot of central teams are struggling to pick up W’s right now.
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Oct. 22, 2021 at 12:46 a.m.
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Quoting: Aussie_Blackhawk
It sure is a hard sell but I don't think Jones has been all bad. The team is bad and I think the coaching system has something to do with it. We also have had no puck luck the last 2 games in which we have out shot the opponents and kept them to 25 or less shots. our 5 on 5 play is likely the worst in the league currently. If this continues we may get a shot at Wright and send next years pick to CBJ.


That’s honestly what I’m praying for, Wright fills the need for a long term 1C. Amazing point producer and good size. One can only dream now though.
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Oct. 22, 2021 at 1:03 a.m.
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That’s honestly what I’m praying for, Wright fills the need for a long term 1C. Amazing point producer and good size. One can only dream now though.


Definitely is the dream. Kid will be a star.
Oct. 22, 2021 at 12:06 p.m.
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Edited Oct. 22, 2021 at 12:48 p.m.
The Boqvist trade is very different than the Panarin trade. The honest response between those trades is...go look at the voting and comments on the day of the Panarin trade. Link Below. People thought CBJ won, but Panarin was a 60-65 point player that might fail in Torts system...and might go back to the KHL. The distain for the Panarin trade is PURELY hindsight. Again, the post asks to be honest...If someone told me today.....that back in June of 2017, they though Panarin would be a Hart candidate...they're just lying. It's a lie.

I can admit (just like I admit I wanted Byram over Dach) that I wanted Seth Jones as a Hawk. My issue with that trade is ALL the other stuff. Boqvist, the 2021 swap, the 2022 pick, the $9.5M contract...it's just all so much garbage. Wait the 1 freakin season STAN! Nothing about the Boqvist trade made sense from day 1. There's not hindsight there. It's immediate and was stupid on day 1.

Now going forward it's ROUGH. Stan's probably sitting there pointing to high danger chances allowed and just saying...all we need is time. So stupid, but that's probably what he's thinking. I'm HOPING (but not holding my breath) that Seth Jones will be like Campbell. At the time of the Campbell signing he was overpaid too, BUT you need to overpay a UFA for a team rebuidling. That doesn't make the trade ok. It's NOT ok. It's just a full admission that everyone of value that's older need to be traded away. Toews/Kane/Kubalik/MAF...probably the cat too. Rebuild it right. Don't go half way.

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/73055
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