Overpay from Calgary

How? im just curious if you feel that Monahan is worth more than a 3rd round pick. 3/4 of his points are on the powerplay and hes been extremely average the last 3 years. idk Rakell vakue i assume its close to a 1st so this would be underpayment unless Välimäki is considered to be really good... he's still youngish but hasnt stuck in the NHL

In this scenario I help the flames by freeing up cap space after this year. My logic was then in return ANA could trade Monahan this offseason or at next years trade deadline for additional assets. Valimaki would be their "reclamation project" no that he's a bust by any stretch. All in all I think this is a win-win for ANA to obtain assets and stay competitive this season, while Calgary receives cap relief for next season and still gets solid NHL players to contribute to their cup run.

Agreed, I think it is a super fair deal for both sides. Well done!

imo SM is a 6m 3-4c. He's not a "cap dump" but hes pretty darn close.... he has like 4 5v5p this year. I would ask the Flames for more. Youre basically eating 6 million on a player that is worth maybe a 3rd if he was making 3.5m... not 6. Rakell is worth a 1st and all those guys put together dont = a 1st imo....

Completely see where you're coming from and thanks for the input. ANA could ask for a bit more (I considered a 2nd instead of a 3rd), but I always try to account for the other teams situation, too. I could see ANA "rolling the dice" on Monahan and if it pays off they could trade him this offseason or next year for even more assets (especially if they retain salary, which they can certainly afford). Worst that could happen is they don't get a potential 1st or 2nd RD pick for Rakell.

Why would we be looking at Monahan? We have Getzlaf, Zegras, Lundestrom, McTavish, Steel and Groulx down the middle. As an LD, Valimaki is of interest, but if we're trading Rakell, it would be for a first or a replacement for him or Lindholm or Manson.

The fact that you think Monahan is only worth a 3rd ends all legitimate conversation we could possibly have

That would be a hard trade to do as a Leaf where Chiarot is possibly getting a 1st pick at most and plays a similar style game at less money. Manson is tempting but if that is really the value Ducks fans feels he has then I would probably pass…and I like Manson.

Really?!?!?! how much is his cap hit? 6+ million for 2 more years?

this year 27 gp 12points 8 POWERPLAY POINTS YES!!! 8. 75% of his offense comes on the powerplay.

last 2 years
77gp 13g 27a 40p 43p/82gp 43% of those are on the powerplay. He's basically a 3c making 6+ million. lol "PoInTs DoNt MaTtEr" yeah sometimes but this dude has been average at best the last 3 years... if you retain salary maybe you could get some value for him. Daily faceoff has him slotted as a 3c ... so yeah teams are literally kicking down the door for overpriced 3c

heres a great examples

Eller last 2 years makes almost half his salary has basically the exact same stats and has slightly better cf% ff% xgf% and he could get a 2nd.....
66gp 10g 23a 33p 15% on the powerplay....5.pp or 41p/82gp....

ITS NOT 2018 lol

Last 2 years
Monahan
77gp 13g 27a 40p 43p/82gp 43% of those are on the powerplay.

Eller
66gp 10g 23a 33p 15% on the powerplay....5.pp or 41p/82gp....

Ellers cap hit is 3.5 million Monahan makes 6.3m... i value Eller at a 2nd... Eller produces way more at 5v5 and has slightly CF FF xgf% numbers... i'd rather have the 1st round pick for Rakell than get a lackluster 3c that has minimal term with a massive cap hit for what he brings to the table.

Lmao tell you havent wat hed a single Flames game without telli g me you haven't watched a single Flames game.

The fact you referenced daily faceoff as a credible source says a lot, DF also has Oshie listed as a 3rd line winger, yet he is 4th among Washingtons forwards in EV ice time. Fiala is also apparently a 3rd line einger and Sergachev is a 3rd pair depth defenseman.

Monahan is playing a 2B role in Calgary, as in Calgary has 2 2nd lines and 1 1st line

Oshie is on the 3rd line to balance the talent since Washington have 4 rookies playing ( MCM Protas Leason MALENSTYN) lmfao. Washington AGAIN would be a terrible example since they are missing a ton of starters

"Lmao tell you havent wat hed a single Flames game without telli g me you haven't watched a single Flames game"

LINDHOLM 20:13/g 1c
BACKLUND 17:36/g 2c
MONAHAN 14:47 3c (2:43m/g is powerplay) lol

do you watch their games bc you think "hes 2B role in Calgary" when he plays 3 minutes less than 2c

Daily faceoff is nice to check where teams have players slotted (obviously there are exception like Oshie). Most people with common sense understand how to read the website

Monahan is 7th in ice time .... behind BOTH centers basically averages 12minutes 5v5... thats 30 seconds more than Lewis

What kind of double standard is this? Oshie plays 3rd line to balance out the lines but Monahan isnt 3C to take advantage of Calgary's center depth?

Why are you doing total TOI per game? Monahan doesn't play PK, Lindholm and Backlund both average over 2 minutes of PK per game.

Why are you comparing Lewis? He's a winger. Richardson/Ruzicka are the 4C, theyve averaged 10 and 8. 4 minutes respectively

Oshie ice time reflex he is clearly isnt a 3rd line player but they have him listed there to balance depth with the Capitals playing w rookie centers... difference is Oshie is there to help a young center adjust to the NHL... High skill player... like Kessel on theHBK like... Monahan is on that line bc hes worse than Backlund and Lindholm lol. Not a double standard Monahan is clear a 3rd line center based off ice time AND where he is slotted in the line up. Not rocket science just think its easy.

lol He's still at 7th on the team at 5v5 ice time or overall ice time. BEHIND both other center,,,

Lewis was compared bc it shows his ice time is closed to the 4th liners 5v5 than it was top 6.

OKAY lets settle this if Monahan value is more than a 3rd at a 6+m cap hit what do you value him at?

This is just fundamentally incorrect. Monahan is on that line because the only line that isnt shuffled ever 2-3 games is the Lindholm line. Literally 4 games ago Monahan was playing 2C with Mangiapane and Coleman. Both Backlund and Monahan are inferior to Lindholm but at the same time both Monahan and Backlund are interchangeable.

Again you dont watch Calgary games so you wouldnt know that the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines chance constantly.

I would not trade Monahan for less than a 1st's worth of value

lol geez Monahan has been extremely average like comparable to the Capitasls 3rd line center in Ellerand you want a 1st? yikes. His ice doesnt reflect 2c at all...

Tkachuk + Mangiapane +Monahan have played 21 seconds together
Tkachuk + Monahan + Gaudreau have played 14:34m
Tkachuk + Monahan just those 2 have played 3:45m together MT is the #1 LW
Mangiapane + Monahan 61:15m together
Lucic + Monahan 91:15 together

158:40 is monahan total 5v5 91:15 is with the 3rd line 61:15 is with the 2nd line or at least with Mangiapane... He almost never plays with the JG or MT

roughly 60% of all his shifts are with the 3rd line / Lucic
roughly 40% of all his other shift are with the 2nd like

Actually its like 38% on the 2nd line. 58% is with the 3rd line and 4% is with the top line.

so yeah if you consider 38% splitting time then good for you

Are you confused? I literally said the 1st line never changes, so obviously he never plays with Tkachuk or Gaudreau.

Monahan playing 3rd line does not make him a 3rd line center, it emphasizes Calgary's current center depth and their current standings help back that up.

In really not sure where you are pulling your numbers from, Monahan has played 316 minutes of 5v5 this year
121 w/ Lewis (3rd/4th liner)
114.4 w/ Dube (2nd/3rd liner)
95.2 w/ Lucic (3rd/4th liner)
80.3 w/ Pitlick (3rd liner)
76.9 w/ Coleman (2nd/3rd liner)
66.1 w/ Mangiapane (2nd liner)

None of those are vlose to over 50% of ice time

Monahan started the season on the 4th line while he was still recovering from his surgery, hence his high minutes with Lucic and Lewis.