Is Roy someone LA is looking to move?

No from LA. They're not going to downgrade their RHD for a couple futures that likely won't turn into anything useful.

They'd included him in a package for Nylander or swap him for Sandin. Outside of that, there's not really a trade that would work here.

Sandin is way out of question and not in the same ball park. If Muzzin was moved for 2 prospects and a 1st how Roy near that value when he doesn’t have near the pedigree?

Holl bridges the time for Walker return next year and Brandt Clarke arrival in the NHL. Plus y’all get a potential 1st rounder. Maybe we can add a prospect but that’s more than fair for a team that’s highly unlikely to make the playoffs with the emergence of Calgary, Edmonton and Vegas in their division.

Just throwing some ideas out there. The 2nd pair has really struggled and someone like Roy can provide Muzzin with some stability so he can play more like himself and not stress about Holl breakout plays

LA isn't looking to move Roy. They're no longer rebuilding and are looking to win now. He's LA's 2nd best defenseman.

The only way they move him is if someone offers something of greater immediate need. Those needs being top six wing or LHD. Trading Roy for Holl sets the rebuild back several years while they wait for guys like Faber, Grans, or Clarke to gain NHL experience. Defensemen notoriously take the longest to develop.

I'm not saying that Toronto should trade Sandin or Nylander for Roy, but LA will have little interest of moving Roy if neither is coming back their way.

I taught Walker was? trying to win now isn’t smart. Just because you’re better than bottom teams doesn’t mean you can’t move current players for futures. Case and point the Brady Skeji trade for NYR. Moving Roy makes perfect sense as Holl bridges the RHD for incoming Clarke and when Sean Walker returns (even without Holl y’all already have issues at RHD with the lack of playing time). I understand y’all want to get better but y’all ain’t gonna get better without internal development. Trading for already proven players makes zero sense when you’re not contending and y’all won’t be with how the pacific division is shaping up.

Do y’all really think you can compete with Calgary, Edmonton and Vegas? If no then why hold onto a product that would be more than it’s worth by the end instead of cashing in on it.

Also Sandin and Nylander are way out of the ballpark. If Toronto is trading either they’re getting superstars back not middle of the line up players as both have elite talent that has been shown this year with how the team is playing. To get Sandin it’s Roy plus Kempe and a 1st. Nylander is twice the value of that especially since he’s on the best bargain contract for 35 goals and 70 points.

To add on if you want LHD help we will instead trade you Dermott instead of Holl. Dermott analytics has been great this season but needs a larger roles to take the next steps

Roy > Walker

Smart or not, Blake and Co. have said that playoffs are the expectation now moving forward. They're not going to make moves that detract from the team that they ice this season. If they're looking like they're not going to make the playoffs at the deadline, they might sell off some expiring contracts, but guys like Roy signed to multi-year deals aren't going anywhere.

Yes, I think that the Kings leadership thinks they can compete with Calgary, Edmonton, and Vegas. The Kings recently trounced the Oilers and hung in there with the Flames in a close 3-2 game. This team is better than it looks on paper. I think there's more work to do, but I don't think they're as far away as people suspect.

Sounds like LA and Toronto aren't good trade partners. Toronto isn't willing to give up what LA wants in return for Roy, so LA isn't going to move Roy. From LA's perspective, I wouldn't swap Kempe for Sandin 1-for-1, so that's a no go.

Dermott isn't an upgrade over any of LA's 3 current LHD, so they're not interested in that either.

The Leafs want a defensive D to play with Reilly so they can play Reilly/defensive d then Brodie and a defensive D. Brodie's partner wouldn't matter for handedness as he can play either side.

Yea Roy brings that’s. He’s a shutdown D-man that a lot of LAK overvalue as you see by the thread as their ask is Sandin or Nylander…

We need that top 4 dman as Holl has been brutal this year and if we want to compete with the elite teams we need that stability on the back end

What frustrates me is that people don't understand the role Holl's replacement would need to play. The Leafs wouldn't care about the guys offensive numbers. They want a big minute guy who starts a lot in the defensive zone but rarely gets pushed back there by the play and is rarely on ice for goals against because you don't put an offensive D with an offensive D and it doesn't matter how many faces he punches. The guy needs to be able to let Reilly or Barrie do what they do without worrying about the middle or defensive zone as much as possible. Barrie is wasted in many ways playing with Reilly.

What is letting Headman be Headman is Jan Rutta, we need a Jan Rutta.

I feel like Brodie provides that for Rielly, however when it comes to the shutdown pair Holl doesn’t provide Muzzin with the stability on the right side to have effective breakouts.

At this point teams dump it in on the right side as they know Holl can’t make a breakout pass.

Roy plays that role that we need. He isn’t a flashy offensive players. He’s a big dman with strong defensive numbers. He’s up there for block shots and is strong making breakout passes which we need

To summarize what my esteemed colleague @tkecanuck341 has been patiently trying to explain in detail, we're not about to downgrade from Roy, who is signed for two more years, to Holl, who is signed for only one more and isn't as good, in return for futures that won't have any impact until 2025, if ever. We anticipate Roy playing a key role in 2023 and 2024, when we fully expect to be legitimate playoff contenders.

Muzzin isn't an offensive D and he's been steadily getting worse because age get's everyone eventually. As Muzzin get's worse so does Holl because while he's a good member of a shutdown pair (which Muzzin and Holl have been) he's not a stabilizing partner for an offensive D. Brodie and Reilly being separated and each having their own Defensive D who can cover for their risky plays that go sideways is optimal. We don't have the players to do that. Because you can make Brodie that for Reilly doesn't necessarily mean you should.