Dude who is this idiot? Caniac2000

Teravainen is a left winger... He's been Aho's left wing man forever. He got displaced at times last year when Teuvo had his concussion, but he's primarily a left winger who only gets moved across when they want to torture teams with the SAT line.

Miller's defensive issues don't outweigh his offensive strengths. There's no denying he's great offensively, but he's SO bad defensively that he's a net negative in terms of his underlying numbers.

I don't know what underlying numbers you are looking at, but if they are from when Travis Green was behind the Canuck bench, those numbers are obsolete, because Boudreau has completely turned around their special teams, and saying that Miller is just like a Mike Hoffman or a Patrik Laine is just absurd. I implore you to go talk to more Canuck fans and see what they think

Oh, and one more thing, I haven't seen Turbo on left wing in the Canes depth chart in a very long time if ever

He's played most of the season at left wing because of Jarvis' emergence on the right...
Svechnikov - Aho - Necas
Teravainen - Trocheck - Jarvis
Niederreiter - Staal - Fast
Lorentz - Kotkaniemi - Stepan

that's been the forward core when healthy.

Buddy, 6 games since a coaching chance doesn't invalidate how garbage he's been the rest of the year (defensively). Saying it does is the funniest thing I've ever heard... Are Vancouver now among the Presidents trophy contenders because games before Boudreau don't matter? NO!

You are still twisting my words, I never said anything about the Presidents trophy, and yes actually, the coaching change most certainly does render the previous 25 games obsolete, that's the whole point of a coaching change. The games before Boudreau of course matter when it comes to the standings, but that is not necessarily the case when it comes to evaluating talent and/or analytics. You are telling me that Miller is awful defensively when he is +3 this season in plus/minus. I know it's not a great stat but still, you would expect a player who is a defensive liability to more likely than not have a negative +/-

I still think you are just trolling

Leon Draisaitl has 51 points in 30 games and is only a +8... players that are defensive liabilities like Draisaitl and Miller, but can score at more than a PPG rate at the other end will have a meh plus/minus. Plus, IT'S A GARBAGE STAT.

Then you're using only 8 games to determine a players skill? That's a joke. Anyone can get hot over 8 games, it's why it's important to look at the season as a whole.

I can say for a fact that the 8 games since the coaching change isn't a hot streak or a fluke, the Canucks are showing absolutely no signs of reverting back to how they were performing in the first quarter of the season. And why should anybody take your word seriously, you don't even watch them. Nobody is putting stock into the stats of the Canucks first quarter of the season to predict how they will perform the rest of this season because everybody knows that the team is better and more talented than they were performing in the first 25 games. I listen to Canucks media and they have excellent coverage of the team

Hot streaks end suddenly, it's why they're called streaks. This is WAY too small a sample size to say the team has turned a corner, and if you honestly think that, you're beyond help.

Chiasson isn't very good, but Pearson is good. Pearson only gets flack because he isn't a very fast skater, but he's quite well rounded in other areas of the game

There winning streak would have ended sooner if they are truly as bad as they were in the first quarter of the season. Nobody else besides you is saying that the team will regress back to where they were

I'm not saying they'll go back to where they were. I'm saying they won't win every game for the rest of the year. The Canucks still have fatal flaws on the blueline and in terms of true elite talents. They'll come back to earth, don't worry about that.

I'm not disagreeing with you there, of course they are going to lose more games this season. As for their roster, their blueline has performed a lot better than was expected of them at the start of the season. Again, this team is 10th in the league in GAA with 2.58. Considering that they don't have a particularly deep blueline, you wouldn't expect them to be that high up in that stat. The team has plenty of talent and I'm not worried about some of the guys who have been struggling, I'm confident they will all bounce back, because they have been great in the past as we've seen, even if it doesn't happen until next season, and I'm not writing this team off from potentially making the playoffs. That's all I'm saying

Alright, how about we put it this way. Canes are going to tank their chances at the Stanley Cup just to help another team find a way into a playoff spot. It’s a drastic overpayment for Miller, and if that’s the cost to get him, Canes are just better off looking elsewhere for a better winger who isn’t such a defensive liability.

This person speaks more sense than the entire Canucks fanbase!!

The only reason their GAA is that good is because Demko has been stealing games. It doesn’t show how bad that dcore is, it only shows how good the goalie is. I can’t disagree that the Canucks have a lot of talent, but if they can’t defend, and only rely on Demko to steal games, they won’t get far.

Oh they can defend, they aren't leaving their goaltending hanging out to dry anymore. Goaltending can't steal 7 games in a row, no team wins 7 games with a weak forward group, weak defense, or weak goaltending even if the other two positions are of great strength



I haven't really seen you talk to any Canuck fans, so makes you think you are in any position to say that? There was one other guy earlier in this thread who called you out for being a complete homer and gave the supporting evidence that he thought was befitting



You can call that an overpayment for Miller, but you can't tell me he's a defensive liability when you haven't watched nearly as much Canucks hockey as I have. Again, I'm not insisting that the Canes go after Miller this trade deadline, I'm just saying I disagree with yours and Caniac2000's take on the individual player

Kind of hard to watch the Canucks when they are locally blacked out in my state. And unless they are playing in the east, I really won’t be awake when they do play. I do watch them whenever I can. I can’t deny the fact I don’t watch as much of the Canucks as a Canucks homer.

Except that's not what's being said.

He's arguing Miller is a meh player that would be a worse 2C than KK, and is a 3LW - neither of which is true.

I think you're probably the only person in the world that thinks Miller is a meh player...

Say you don't like the trade, fine - that's different from calling Miller a meh player which is just not true.

He tried to convince me Fast was better than Boeser. Idk man

On the Canes depth charts, he would be played as a LW. Depending on which wing Turbo is playing, our wing depth would be:
With Turbo at LW:
Svech
Turbo
Miller
Nino

With Turbo at RW:
Svech
Miller
Nino

Since Turbo mainly plays at RW with Aho, and the Canes have had a bit of hole that was partially filled by Nino at 2LW, Miller would either be 2/3LW. KK was brought in as a potential fix at 2LW, and while he was decent on the wings, he shines brighter at Center. And with Trocheck likely leaving next year, KK would get those top 6 minutes.

Until it is proven that the statement of Miller being a worse 2C and a 3LW is true, we will never know and can only speculate. It is very likely that KK will have a breakout year next year, especially if he ends up playing 2C. Miller could quite possibly regress greatly after a trade like this and the Canes get screwed. We can’t know and we won’t know until it actually happens or not.

It depends on whether we are talking offense or defense. Offense Boeser is better. Fast is a reliable 30 point guy. I can’t argue with these statements. But defensively, it’s the opposite. From my limited sample size, Boeser has not been as good defensively as Fast. So yes, in one aspect, Fast is better than Boeser. Being better in one aspect doesn’t necessarily mean he is better in every aspect. Every player has their strengths and their weaknesses.

I'm just saying it's pretty ridiculous to call a guy that's top 10 in NHL scoring a "meh" player and imply he would be a worse 2C than a guy who's career high is 34 points (which he will probably break this year to be fair).

Yes it's possible Miller regresses and KK improves but based on the last 3 years I don't think that's a likely outcome.

Anyways I'm over this conversation.

But it is. He's a defensive liability but a good offensive player. It doesn't matter if you score 100 goals if you also give up 100... it's entertaining, but entertaining =/= good

Fair enough man, and let me tell you, nobody needs to be a homer for any sports team, there is no obligation of any kind unless it comes from within