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Team: 2023-24 New York Islanders
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 12, 2022
Published: Jan. 12, 2022
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Cap goes up a million. Wont really matter for this, however.

Once again rotate 3RW and 4RW between Holmstrom and koivula once toffoli is acquired at TDL. Then like 80/20 with Holmstrom playing more. Then playoffs koivula is out but subs in around the lineup for his physicality.


Lambert plays around 30 games or so too. He subs for injuries but also every few games for Pageau. Similar to Wahlstrom in the first covid season (2020 season). Obviously he gets PP time when playing. In AHL he will get 21+ mins a game


Well, thanks for following along. Will this happen? No. but the islanders should do these moves. We need to get younger and plan for next year. A retool is perfect and we have the assets to get some picks and get younger. This should allow for our window to go from closing right now to opening again in 22-23 and last for a good amount of time.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$950,000
1$1,500,000
7$8,450,000
1$850,000
4$4,850,000
1$875,000
1$975,000
5$5,413,526
3$4,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$5,350,000
2$1,750,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Lambert, Brad
2$925,000
Trades
1.
NYI
  1. 2022 2nd round pick (EDM)
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (EDM)
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From 2022 TDL. Picks wont be anything until after these 3 years
EDM
2.
NYI
  1. 2023 6th round pick (EDM)
Additional Details:
Same. Another TDL move from 2022
EDM
3.
NYI
  1. 2022 5th round pick (BOS)
Additional Details:
2022 TDL move
BOS
4.
NYI
  1. Newhook, Alex [RFA Rights]
  2. 2023 1st round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Beauvillier, Anthony
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And varly who had retained salary.
5.
NYI
  1. 2024 3rd round pick (EDM)
Additional Details:
makeup
EDM
6.
NYI
ARI
  1. Bailey, Josh
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (EDM)
  3. 2024 4th round pick (NYI)
Additional Details:
22-23. cap dump
7.
NYI
  1. Toffoli, Tyler ($400,000 retained)
MTL
  1. Palmieri, Kyle
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (NYI)
Additional Details:
Hard to predict the deadline players at the time. But I think Tyler toffoli will be a solid player. he is a pending UFA and the Habs suck.
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$82,500,000$77,213,526$0$82,500$5,286,474

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
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Lee, Anders
$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 3
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Barzal, Mathew
$8,450,000$8,450,000
C, RW
UFA - 8
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Wahlstrom, Oliver
$5,413,526$5,413,526
RW
RFA - 1
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Nelson, Brock
$6,000,000$6,000,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Newhook, Alex
$4,000,000$4,000,000
C, LW
RFA - 4
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Waivers ExemptRäty, Aatu
$836,667$836,667 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
C
RFA - 2
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Bellows, Kieffer
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
UFA
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Pageau, Jean-Gabriel
$5,000,000$5,000,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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Toffoli, Tyler
$1,725,000$1,725,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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Martin, Matt
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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Cizikas, Casey
$2,500,000$2,500,000
C
UFA - 4
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Holmström, Simon
$863,333$863,333
RW
RFA - 1
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Koivula, Otto
$875,000$875,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Pelech, Adam
$5,750,000$5,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 6
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Pulock, Ryan
$6,150,000$6,150,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 7
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Sorokin, Ilya
$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
UFA - 1
Lindholm, Hampus
$5,350,000$5,350,000
LD
UFA - 7
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Dobson, Noah
$4,850,000$4,850,000
RD
RFA - 2
Brossoit, Laurent
$1,750,000$1,750,000
G
UFA - 1
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Salo, Robin
$975,000$975,000
LD
UFA - 1
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Aho, Sebastian
$950,000$950,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Lambert, Brad
$925,000$925,000
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Bolduc, Samuel
$850,000$850,000
LD
RFA - 2
Taxi Squad
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Johnston, Ross
$1,100,000$1,100,000 ($0$0$0$0)
LW
UFA - 3

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Jan. 12, 2022 at 10:55 a.m.
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Habs say no
Jan. 12, 2022 at 11:00 a.m.
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So Habs sell Toffoli at the deadline, and take an older winger with term back as part of the trade?
Jan. 12, 2022 at 11:01 a.m.
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So Habs sell Toffoli at the deadline, and take an older winger with term back as part of the trade?


i mean a year and a half for a UFA? and a 2nd? its 2024 lol
Jan. 12, 2022 at 11:02 a.m.
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Habs say no


ah yes cuz a bottom of the league wont sell a pending UFA for someone who they can flip and a 2nd? yea ok
Jan. 12, 2022 at 11:06 a.m.
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ah yes cuz a bottom of the league wont sell a pending UFA for someone who they can flip and a 2nd? yea ok


Habs say no cause we can get a first and a second for toffoli and a first is much better than palmeri for the habs
Jan. 12, 2022 at 11:12 a.m.
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i mean a year and a half for a UFA? and a 2nd? its 2024 lol


Selling teams don't want or need 32 yo overpaid players in return for rentals they are selling.

Palmieri would be tough to move today on that contract, I don't imagine it will be any easier 2 years from now.
Jan. 12, 2022 at 11:14 a.m.
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habs hang up phone
Jan. 12, 2022 at 11:41 a.m.
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Selling teams don't want or need 32 yo overpaid players in return for rentals they are selling.

Palmieri would be tough to move today on that contract, I don't imagine it will be any easier 2 years from now.


i mean itll have less term and he has very good advanced metrics. He is also gonna be easy to take, play then flip for more picks with 1 year left. Look at Shayne Ghostisphere. It is pretty easy to do lol. well worth it
Jan. 12, 2022 at 11:41 a.m.
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lol its 2024. pending UFA on a bad team. but ok
Jan. 12, 2022 at 11:47 a.m.
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i mean itll have less term and he has very good advanced metrics. He is also gonna be easy to take, play then flip for more picks with 1 year left. Look at Shayne Ghostisphere. It is pretty easy to do lol. well worth it


You mean Shayne Gostisbehere, who would be 4 years younger at the time of the deals, makes less actual $$ then his caphit, and Philly paid a 2nd & 7th to get rid of him?

That Shayne Gostisbehere?

Think you might be helping my point here pal.
Jan. 12, 2022 at 11:49 a.m.
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lol its 2024. pending UFA on a bad team. but ok


If the Habs are bad in 2024, it's because they have committed to a significant rebuild, which means Tyler Toffoli is most likely gone in the summer of 2022 or during the 2022-23 Trade Deadline. They wouldn't just let Toffoli age and lose value on a rebuilding team.

If the Habs still have Toffoli in 2024, it's because they haven't entered a rebuilding process. If so, they aren't the "bad team" you're claiming they will be because if Toffoli is still on the team, odds are that the other veterans pieces are still on it too. They're a better team than what they are showing this season and unless they rebuild, can't see them being a lottery team once again next season.
Jan. 12, 2022 at 11:54 a.m.
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You mean Shayne Gostisbehere, who would be 4 years younger at the time of the deals, makes less actual $$ then his caphit, and Philly paid a 2nd & 7th to get rid of him?

That Shayne Gostisbehere?

Think you might be helping my point here pal.


LMFAOOOO BUD. do u understand what advanced analytics are? Palmieri was just traded for a first and players a year ago. tHaT kyLe pAlMieRi? See? thats stupid. teams learn their lessons. Palmieri doesnt have the point production but he isnt playing bad. And theres a big difference between a year left and 2 lol. Shayne is now gonna go for likely a 2nd+prospect or a 1st. teams like the Habs are gonna jump on the opportunity to double dip at TDLs. You are obviously not involved in the advanced analytics community lol
Jan. 12, 2022 at 11:56 a.m.
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If the Habs are bad in 2024, it's because they have committed to a significant rebuild, which means Tyler Toffoli is most likely gone in the summer of 2022 or during the 2022-23 Trade Deadline. They wouldn't just let Toffoli age and lose value on a rebuilding team.

If the Habs still have Toffoli in 2024, it's because they haven't entered a rebuilding process. If so, they aren't the "bad team" you're claiming they will be because if Toffoli is still on the team, odds are that the other veterans pieces are still on it too. They're a better team than what they are showing this season and unless they rebuild, can't see them being a lottery team once again next season.


I mean the team isnt very good right now, Weber is gone and Price wont be gone without retaining a few mil which will handcuff the team for 3-4 years, and there isnt much to like besides a handful of players. And its in a very hard division. Habs most likely try to compete too early and get stuck being below average as a result of an unskilled roster, poor management and a tough division
Jan. 12, 2022 at 12:02 p.m.
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I mean the team isnt very good right now, Weber is gone and Price wont be gone without retaining a few mil which will handcuff the team for 3-4 years, and there isnt much to like besides a handful of players. And its in a very hard division. Habs most likely try to compete too early and get stuck being below average as a result of an unskilled roster, poor management and a tough division


That's my point. Their #1LD, #1RD, #1G all haven't played a game this season. Another alternate captain hasn't played a game this season either & only 1 player has played all the games. They lost a few major pieces this offseason (Tatar, Danault, Perry) and brought in new faces that couldn't really develop any chemistry as the team is constantly depleted by Covid/Injury. Without selling hard at the TDL, they aren't cup contenders as it stands but they aren't a lottery team next year either.
Jan. 12, 2022 at 12:09 p.m.
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LMFAOOOO BUD. do u understand what advanced analytics are? Palmieri was just traded for a first and players a year ago. tHaT kyLe pAlMieRi? See? thats stupid. teams learn their lessons. Palmieri doesnt have the point production but he isnt playing bad. And theres a big difference between a year left and 2 lol. Shayne is now gonna go for likely a 2nd+prospect or a 1st. teams like the Habs are gonna jump on the opportunity to double dip at TDLs. You are obviously not involved in the advanced analytics community lol


Palmieri had value as a 28 yo rental, half a year removed from a pretty productive season. Are you aware that player's games tend to decline as they age? Hey, there might even be some analytics that support that??

I'm sure you can pull 1000 different analytics relative to teammates, and everything else to show how great Palmieri actually has been this year.

Long story short. He's 30, making $5M per with term, and has 3g in his last 42 regular season games. He could have 100% WAR, it's not going to make him worth his contract today, and definitely not 2 years from now.

Also, if he's still going to be such an effective player 2 years from now, why do the Isles ship him out?
Jan. 12, 2022 at 12:12 p.m.
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That's my point. Their #1LD, #1RD, #1G all haven't played a game this season. Another alternate captain hasn't played a game this season either & only 1 player has played all the games. They lost a few major pieces this offseason (Tatar, Danault, Perry) and brought in new faces that couldn't really develop any chemistry as the team is constantly depleted by Covid/Injury. Without selling hard at the TDL, they aren't cup contenders as it stands but they aren't a lottery team next year either.


They arent better than tampa, florida, toronto. Then i doubt florida. Wings are on the rise. so is ottawa. they are not better than those teams. maybe not bottom 5 in the league, but not top 5 in their division
Jan. 12, 2022 at 12:14 p.m.
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Palmieri had value as a 28 yo rental, half a year removed from a pretty productive season. Are you aware that player's games tend to decline as they age? Hey, there might even be some analytics that support that??

I'm sure you can pull 1000 different analytics relative to teammates, and everything else to show how great Palmieri actually has been this year.

Long story short. He's 30, making $5M per with term, and has 3g in his last 42 regular season games. He could have 100% WAR, it's not going to make him worth his contract today, and definitely not 2 years from now.

Also, if he's still going to be such an effective player 2 years from now, why do the Isles ship him out?


Because the islanders have no room for him...? idk why u r so pressed. its how rentals work. a 2nd to take on 1 year at 5 mil then flip the following year with retained salary is a great move and very common. It is very realistic lol. if you think it should be a 2nd and a 3rd then thats fine. But he has positive trade value. Youre delusional
Jan. 12, 2022 at 12:15 p.m.
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They arent better than tampa, florida, toronto. Then i doubt florida. Wings are on the rise. so is ottawa. they are not better than those teams. maybe not bottom 5 in the league, but not top 5 in their division


Boston is trending downwards, Ottawa and Detroit are still nowhere near playoffs locks. It's in the air, but MTL are a bubble playoffs caliber team in a nutshell.
Jan. 12, 2022 at 12:23 p.m.
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Because the islanders have no room for him...? idk why u r so pressed. its how rentals work. a 2nd to take on 1 year at 5 mil then flip the following year with retained salary is a great move and very common. It is very realistic lol. if you think it should be a 2nd and a 3rd then thats fine. But he has positive trade value. Youre delusional


Toffoli for Palmieri and 2nd. You just said you're paying a 2nd to dump Palmieri.

So Toffoli is 100% worthless in this scenario????

Well, I see I've been arguing the wrong point. I'll have to join a few the others and say Toffoli would be worth more than... zero.

Actually don't care anymore.
Jan. 12, 2022 at 1:17 p.m.
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Toffoli for Palmieri and 2nd. You just said you're paying a 2nd to dump Palmieri.

So Toffoli is 100% worthless in this scenario????

Well, I see I've been arguing the wrong point. I'll have to join a few the others and say Toffoli would be worth more than... zero.

Actually don't care anymore.


bruh u legit cant read lol. makes sense the leafs fan is trolling
Jan. 12, 2022 at 1:17 p.m.
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Boston is trending downwards, Ottawa and Detroit are still nowhere near playoffs locks. It's in the air, but MTL are a bubble playoffs caliber team in a nutshell.


in 2 years? sens and wings will be dominating
Jan. 12, 2022 at 1:38 p.m.
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Because the islanders have no room for him...? idk why u r so pressed. its how rentals work. a 2nd to take on 1 year at 5 mil then flip the following year with retained salary is a great move and very common. It is very realistic lol. if you think it should be a 2nd and a 3rd then thats fine. But he has positive trade value. Youre delusional


"Very common".

Shouldn't be to tough to prove your point then. Let me know the last time a 30 yo making more than $3M per with term was dealt for a rental.
Jan. 13, 2022 at 2:54 a.m.
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Easy no for the Avs. Newhook is pegged as the future #2C. Definitely wouldn't add a first either, and no need or interest as far as Varlamov is concerned.
Jan. 13, 2022 at 10:37 a.m.
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"Very common".

Shouldn't be to tough to prove your point then. Let me know the last time a 30 yo making more than $3M per with term was dealt for a rental.


bro r u stupid. there is no term. the year is 2024. he has 1 year left. its literally 1 year. r u crazy
Jan. 13, 2022 at 11:05 a.m.
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bro r u stupid. there is no term. the year is 2024. he has 1 year left. its literally 1 year. r u crazy


Bro, guess you couldn't find one?
 
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