Jarnkrok isnt worth a 2nd even at deadline prices, especially to a team that has zero need for a 3rd liner who cant play defence

At this point, acquiring vaakainanen and not playing him makes little sense. He’s been playing a lot due to injury/covid in boston, and he’s looking really good. He got 23 minutes the other night. I wouldn’t be surprised if hes bullied his way into the group.

No interest in Donskoi. A contender would be, though

Sharks easily decline. 0 goals in 40+ games this year at $3.9 mil with another year? No way

next you're going to say severson is garbage and not worth a first round pick. The leafs are not the only team with good players you know. There is nothing wrong with this trade.

Please tell me how a 3rd line winger who cant defend is worth a 2nd to the leafs

Where are you getting this "can't defend" stuff? I've heard from multiple people that he's good at defense.

because his defensive numbers are not good, they are especially not good to counter the fact that he's just ok at offence. He is just a guy who can play on the third line and the leafs have like 6 guys who can do that for cheaper or without trading anything for it. It makes zero sense for the leafs, thus he is not worth a 2nd.

Enlighten me on who these 6 guys are.

It's only a 3rd, so someone will take him, but the Jets don't need Appleton.

Yeah he would definitely be playing on this team. I forgot to insert him in the lineup.

people in the leafs org that can play RW/C/LW good enough for the leafs bottom 6 that they dont need to over pay for a guy like Jarnkrok
Kerfoot, Kase, Kampf, Bunting, Mikheyev, Engvall, Simmonds, Spezza. Then if you wanna get into prospects and marlies, Robertson, Steeves, Anderson.
So pick which two you want to be in the top 6 \nd the leafs still have way too much depth to even think about dropping a 2nd on a guy who doesnt move the needle on iota

He’s better than Engvall and Simmonds at least and he’s pretty equal to the other guys. The leafs should be going for it and if that’s the price, while it would be ideal to pay less, is fairly reasonable.

He isnt a 2nd rounder better than them, hell, he has 2 more goals than engvall does in better mins with worse defensive impacts. And the market price was never the issue, it's the value to the leafs

You can never have enough depth. The leafs have proved that pretty well in the last few playoffs.

you can when it's easily replaceable depth. This isnt a guy who can step in and play a major role. You dont spend 2nds on guys you dont even have room for on the roster, you spend them on guys who can push players on your roster down the lineup

Don’t have room for on you’re roster, ok, if you actually think he’d doesn’t crack the leafs lineup I can’t help you. At worst h ex would play on the 4th line, likely he’d be on the leafs 3rd line.

well who does he bump down the roster? He's not getting a top 6 spot, he's not getting a 3rd line spot from Mikheyev, Kampf or Kase, he's not outperforming Engvall or spezza on the 4th line. Do you want to pay a 2nd and more than double the cap hit so he can give a slight improvement on Simmonds?

If Mikheyev continues his current pace no but if he comes back down then he replaces him. And yes, he probably is an improvement over Engvall and Spezza. As I said before, paying a second is not ideal, but it's better than not paying anything for anyone and suffering a big injury and having to insert Brett Seney or Alex Steeves in the playoff lineup.

if mikheyev falls to his career average he's still going to vastly out pace Jarnkrok, and again, you dont pay 2nds for guys who cant even play where you need them because you have too many guys who are already better than them
You use that 2nd (and more) to get someone better.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on who that better play would be, because 90% of leafs ACGMs you hate and say that they are terrible for the leafs.

that's because 90% of leafs agms are for bad players or vastly over paying for players. As far as 'depth' guys, the Leafs should be targeting guys like Copp, McCann, Hagel, and Olofsson. They can all play anywhere in the middle 6 as needed but can fill in higher up. They all should also be within realistic adds of a 2nd rounder. Of course the leafs should also kick tires on higher end guys like Hertle, Miller and Forsberg of course, but those guys are gonna be way more expensive.

With the possible exception of Olofsson, it's unlikely those guys go for a second round pick. I agree those guys would be great adds but teams don't hand over young middle 6 players with term for only a second round pick. That's what you pay for a middle 6 rental.

that's why i said realisic adds to a 2nd. I'd rather give up a 2nd+ something else for one of those guys than a 2nd for a guy like Jarnkrok. Over paying for middling depth is always a terrible idea. especially 30+ year old pending UFA depth. I mean, at least foligno was a very good defensive player and that still sucked bad

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But they aren't realistic adds (for a second rounder) is my point. I agree all those guys would be a better add than Jarnkrok but they also would cost more.