He's been suspended 8 times and fined an additional 5 he's a piece of garbage

Yet he's one of the leagues best players

Doesn't make him any less a s***bag

never said that

I never questioned his ability just his decision making. There was zero hockey value in that sucker punch or high stick to the head area. It was dangerous and the league needs to hammer the s***out of dirty s***bag plays/ players like he and Wilson. Make sure he penalty so harsh they don't think about it if they do the organization should pay

Yeah, 1 calender year, people have done alot worse than punching a goalie, and he did not lunge through an official to punch jatty, he hit on his mask on purpose, if he wanted to hit his throat he would have

Take the black and gold glasses off. And hehigh sticker over the linseman that in and of itself should be minimum 10 games as I think about i. If that was Tom Wilson on Rask last year your song would be a lot different

Have you ever skated? Or played in an amateur game (pee wee/bantam/midget/junior)?

S*it happens in a CONTACT sport - duh! Yeah, It can get intense, even among tike-leagues...But guess what - it's not the end of the world.

When did this game get taken over by fair weather/woke fans expecting HGTV results (switch to channel 49 btw).

This play - was soooooo minor it's not funny, it was all about message and competition - if he meant it, he could of dropped Jarry into next week...never happened. He glanced his mask w/ a fist and shoved the stick in his face w/ "an I otta" - 2 games....

NEXT

You're a complete fool

Nite-nite

& a "17 Game Suspension" via thUnDer BoLt is a what now?

Good to see you & moku, have nothing in the end but to go rogue...

one game. no one was hurt on that play.

The dbag has been suspended 7 previous times and fined 5 others he needs to be taught a f***ING lesson and one isn't going to get it through his moronic skull you can't do garbage like that

lol no lessons are being learned at this point. i'm fine with a one game suspensions since no one was close to being hurt and the play had zero effect on the game.

The fact there was 23 seconds left in the game is exactly why they need to hammer the s***out of him 6 wasn't nearly enough you need to make it hurt sooo bad he doesn't remotely consider doing something like it ever again

marchands been suspended 7 going on 8 times... but how many games has his antics cost other players? for perspective marchand gets 6 games for some minor post whistle nonsense that should have landed him in the box and nothing further. marchand gets 5 games when mojo misses three months with a concussion. using other teams/players tom wilson gets 7 games for targeting carlo, and knocking him out for what 2ish months (came back briefly then had to go back on ir)? im not seeing why marchand gets 1 less game here than wilson, but 1 more than his flying elbow on mojo. the crime doesnt fit the punishment in any of the scenarios.

Terrible mindset giving out suspensions based on "repeat offender". nhl needs to start suspending the bigger plays more aggressively where guys are hurt and go on ltir (dell hit on batherson for example... dell gets 3 games batherson misses 2 months) and penalizing these types of plays. something like this happens at the end of a game? fine sit him 1 game... 6 is a joke. IDC what player you hate, or what team base youre a fan of personally. when dells suspension is less than marchands simply because of "history" even though in terms of maliciousness it far outweighs, theres something wrong with your system.

Marchands history:
1. elbowing umberger (umberger wasnt hurt, marchand caught him up high) 2 games.
2. low bridge on sami salo (concussion dont know how many games (total of 17 days between games) he missed but this dude was also super injury prone... 40 career injuries) 5 games (about the same amount of time salo misses btw). nastiness between boston and vancouver vigneault literally said "someone would eventually hurt marchand" there was still bad blood from the finals the year before.
3. slewfoot on derrick brassard 2 games (no injury).
4. clipping boroweicki (debatable suspension, missed no time) 3 games.
5. spearing dotchin 2 games. not a great look dont like when players use the stick as a weapon this was definitely deserving (no injury to dotchin).
6. elbowing MOJO 5 games. I remember this one live, it was really fluky. one of those could have been avoided, not sure why his elbow is up like that, but the speed they were traveling at and he was trying to avoid goalie contact, wrong place wrong time kind of an awkward play, mojo didnt really need to crowd in that heavy on marchand afterward like that either, kind of forced him into an awkward angle TOWARDS the goalie, but like with umberger gotta keep the elbow down... (mojo missed almost 3 full months with concussion).
7. slew foot on OEL ( again debatable suspension, personally i dont see the slewfoot in the action at all just bodies OEL and throws him down) 3 games(no injury).
8. high sticking and roughing (what are we doing here? did someone get seriously hurt that i dont know about?) 6 games... (no injury)

fines for:
slew footing niskanen
roughing landeskog
tripping kronwall
diving
cross checking andrew macdonald

I can somewhat get behind this, my perfect example would be when Bortuzzo injured Arvidsson.

Arvidsson missed 4-6 weeks while Bortuzzo only got suspended 4, and it wasn't accidental it was clearly on purpose for no reason.



Edit: This one works

You're also forgetting all kinds of other s*** he should have gotten hearings for spearing Mantha in the balls comes quickly off the top of my head. You should be automatically fined or suspended if you exchange bodily fluids like ohh lick Ryan Callahan.

Most of this I agree with, the system is quite flawed, but I do want to isolate this part since I think the Wilson hit on Carlo is not a good example of genuine targeting. Of all the things Wilson has been suspended for, I think the hit on Carlo isn't something worth suspending, seen by how the NHL had to change their rules partially so Wilson was suspended. (citing "totality of the hit", and citing Carlo being injured being a main reason regardless of the hit.) In that hit, Carlo looks like he is going to keep moving his head up until the last second, when he puts it back down, meaning when Wilson makes the hit into the shoulder his momentum was carried into an unfortunate contact with Carlo. For a better comparison, I would look at Watson's hit on Ahcan. While no injury was sustained (to my knowledge), it's the textbook hit that should be getting the punishment Marchand received. DoPS seemingly does the bare minimum to feign care for players, by suspending plays where someone was hurt regardless of cleanliness, but giving minimal punishment for genuine attempts to injure, as I believe Watson was doing (or a better example, Foligno's knee to Lowry the other day)

I'm more than okay with what you're saying to an extent. Definitely hammer injures harder however if you hammer bulls*** like this consistently you won't have as many egregious ones to deal with..
If a player is injured due to a suspendable offense.said suspended player should be suspended however many games they would normally get which starts after injured player returns. Dell Batherson incident as example. Dell should be suspended 3 more games after Batherson returns

wilson could have made full body contact though and solely hits carlos head. up or down he targets that area without going for the body WHATSOEVER. That game wilson was also being a huge rat on the ice. kept finishing checks late this type of play was borderline inevitable. If wilson HAD gone with body contact and he ended up incidentally catching carlos head thats fine. whatever thats impact sports. pause the youtube video at 2 seconds its really quick and you can see wilson raising his arms/elbows up to hit carlos head. Whats worse is washington admitted to having to coach him to not do that exact thing because hes prone to those types of plays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMlCHpPRAho

(link didn't work for whatever reason, so I'm not sure which angle is used for you, but I'll be referencing the DoPS suspension video)

I don't see the intent. I get that with Wilson he's reckless with his hits, but he begins contact with his face into Carlo's hand and his shoulder into the armpit of Carlo (not sure how to attach computer screenshots, but I'll attach later if I figure it out). At this point, Wilson no longer has any idea where the rest of Carlo is (his head remains pointed up until it hits the wall), and since Carlo's head is bent down, Wilson's hands unfortunately come up through and hit Carlo's head. I can't see the intent there, as normally someone in the corner is going to have either their chest or nothing at all in the space where Carlo's head was. At the time, it should have likely been called a charge, as it seemed to me Wilson came in too hot for that play, and I expected him to get a game for charging from DoPS to save face. But from all that I watch there, there is not an attempt to make contact with Carlo's head, and suspending him for 7 games was too much under their rules for someone who (if I remember correctly) no longer qualified as a repeat offender.

If the video you linked uses a different angle, as the one in the DoPS video is diagonal from the corner to the what I assume to be the center of the TD Garden concourse, I'll try to find it. Unfortunately youtube is quite a pain for me.

carlo was perpendicular to the boards, he goes to shield wilson from the play, he isnt standing there with his chest to wilson, carlos right shoulder is touching the boards and hes looking to swing the puck along the boards. principle contact should have been through the shoulder/side which is where carlos body positioning is allowing the hit to take place, but wilson only makes contact with the head. if his head isnt there, hes hitting nothing but boards.

Wilson does initiate contact on Carlo’s side, and had Carlo kept his head up, Wilson would make the best play he could there, since he would avoid big contact with Carlo and instead completely separate him from the puck and initiate a scoring chance. When his head makes contact with Carlos left hand, he can no longer see where the hit is going and it goes from being a play made to separate the puck from player to and unfortunate head contact. Carlo almost plays this too well, since he makes a good play to nearly avoid Wilson, who looks to be aiming for Carlo’s shoulder as he approaches, but when Carlo puts his head down last second he puts himself a a vulnerable position, and Wilson does not have enough time to adjust and avoid head contact. Wilson makes no attempt entering the hit to aim at Carlo’s head, and does not have the ability or time to adjust the play and miss Carlo. Unfortunately, due to his reputation, he’s not afforded any benefit of the doubt on plays like this.

you cant say all this and then at the same time watch the video and see wilson holding his hands up under his own chin to where hes going to be going up high for a hit... the game had been escalating to the point where wilson was out of control. carlo's head also doesnt move all that much, wilsons shoulder goes right through carlos neck. hes aiming for the headshot.

if you have twitter, conor ryan has a good video of it im sure you can just search wilson hit on carlo and itll pop up.