not enough

Hagel would be perfect for the Leafs, 2 days off would be great for Dubas and Hawks are happy for the picks. Everybody wins!

Hawks don't even consider this one

If you want to do picks and no prospects, It'll take both 2022 and 2023 1st's. K. So, make that happen and I'll check back with you later.

What exactly makes Hagel worth so much? This is getting ridiculous if you ask me, 1st and a 2nd is more than fair for a middle6 forward. Great contract doesn’t make him a superstar you know…

23 years old, signed 1.5 x 3 (RFA expiration) and on pace for 50 points this year. Need I say more? Hawks get more for hagel than NJ got for blake coleman a few years ago as hagel is younger than coleman was and signed a year longer and an RFA at the end of the deal not UFA

A 23 year old on a 50 point pace that plays a high energy and highly sought after style of play on an extremely cap friendly contract that extends for two more seasons beyond the current one. To top all of that off, the hawks will listen to offers but have absolutely NO REASON to move him. So anyone who wants him bad enough will have to overpay. An overpay that has a very good chance of turning out to be an underpay in the bigger picture.

When you say there’s no reason to move Hagel you’re wrong. It’s about asset management and selling high on him. This time next year Hagel’s value is not going to be as high as it is now, so the best thing to do right now is to take the best offer no matter if it’s from Leafs or some other team. I cant see the Hawks turning things around for next year so what’s the point of keeping Hagel when you can get a 1st+ other assets for your retool/rebuild?

And if you really want the Coleman return then just go ahead and pick a Nolan Foote type of prospect from the Leafs prospect pool…

Hint: It’s not Robertson, Amirov or Niemelä

Foote 2 years ago when the trade happened was viewed the same as Amirov/Robertson. And like I said we want more than a coleman return for the reasons i've stated

You just said it... Sell high on him. If the price isn't high enough then go away. The way he has progressed he could be worth a lot more than what you're offering in a few years. He is the type of player CHI should be building around not trading away unless it blows the doors off the United Center.

He really wasn’t. Foote was putting up average numbers in the chl at the time of the trade. You Hawks fans can want whatever you want but ultimately your teams management is going to take a fair return for him which 1st and a 2nd is at the least.



You dont seem to realise what selling high on a player really means, do you? It’s not about teams overpaying what his value is atm, its about selling an asset like Hagel at the peak of his value. Again, his value is not going to be as high this time next year. He’s going to be 1year older, have 1year less term, might have even dropped in production which would plummet his value. Missing out on a chance to get a 1st+ other assets for a guy they can easily replace with up-comers like Reichel is not good asset management.

You really out here sayin that the Hawks should build around a 23yo 50point pace winger? Get outta here

Yes. Because you need guys like that. They become part of a core of players to take a team into the future. You assume that Hagel has hit his ceiling. But he could absolutely get better and could absolutely be worth more at some point. But if you want to buy something that someone doesn't want to sell then you have to over pay to get it. And even if he doesn't get better, he is worth more to the team going forward than what you are offering. That is what you don't get. The hawks have no reason to sell Hagel. Period. The end. Now go away.

Wrong, we are very much at the ceiling of his production and his analytics show that. 18% shooting percentage is not sustainable for instance. Again, if he gets better that doesn’t necessarily make him worth more. He’s going to be older, have less term etc. His value is at a all time high and nothing will change that.

You can really tell that you dont know what you’re talking about when you say that players like Hagel are core players A team with Hagel is not going add pieces around him, teams add players like Hagel around core players. You’re just being flat out delusional when you’re pretty much sayin that a 23yo old 50point pace middle6 winger is like the next big thing for the Hawks organization.

We’ll see what the return for him is if he gets traded, which imo is going to happen whether its the Leafs or some other team that gets him. I’ll hit you up when he gets dealt at a reasonable price, but for now I cant be bothered to argue as it’s not going anywhere. Bye