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Which Goalie is gonna Work

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Team: 2021-22 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 24, 2022
Published: Feb. 24, 2022
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Skinner may very well be the Oilers least expensive and best option here.
Unless Holland is willing to really go balls to the wall and make a bigger deal, many of the low acquisition cost goalies that could be had, arent much of an upgrade on what they currently have.
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CHI
    Biggest thing is here is if MAF even wants to come to Edm for a couple months. Cost would probably end up being worth it.
    2.
    DAL
      This only works if Dallas further falls off, then, again, cost acquisition probably is worth it for the "upgrade".
      3.
      MTL
        Havent heard too much on this one. and Allens numbers arent great, but that may be more because of the team in front of him. Cost would have to be low-ish. Allen isnt a legit top half of the league starter.
        4.
        NYI
          This trade would have some significant moving parts. Cap $ would need to be going back to NYI, and again, Varlamov has to agree to the deal to a degree.
          5.
          NYR
            Not too sure if the Rangers would want to be sending him away considering they are pushing for some success in the playoffs. His numbers lately arent great either, but low $ and young goalie makes for a decent bet for Edm assuming the cost isnt astronomical.
            6.
            OTT
              Mentioned on TSN i thnk the other day, would imagine acquisition cost would be low. Numbers are better than what Edm is currently rolling.
              7.
              PHI
                Hard to see Philly doing this, but if the Oilers offer is good enough...?
                8.
                PHI
                  Not much of an upgrade on Oilers current situation? Maybe save some $$$ if Koskinen goes the other way?
                  9.
                  SJS
                    Seen this one out there. Numbers would be better than what Edm is dealing with. But can Reimer lead a team to a playoff victory? TBD.
                    10.
                    SEA
                      Was the hot name last summer before Seattle took him. Have to wonder if a change of scenery might help? Cost to acquire would be interesting. And obvs Oilers would need to make the Cap $ work.
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                      STL
                        Another situation of a playoff team maybe not willing to give up their insurance. Young guy, good number suddenly this year. Its a gamble for the acquiring team.
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                        Which one makes the most sense? (Acquisition cost to be taken into consideration)
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                        Feb. 24, 2022 at 11:25 a.m.
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                        Kyle from Chicago
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                        MAF wants to play another year in the league, if EDM trades for him I have to think that second year is something they target.
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                        Feb. 24, 2022 at 11:26 a.m.
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                        Quoting: Kyle_Davidson
                        MAF wants to play another year in the league, if EDM trades for him I have to think that second year is something they target.


                        Agreed. So that plays into cost?
                        Feb. 24, 2022 at 11:27 a.m.
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                        Quoting: Kyle_Davidson
                        MAF wants to play another year in the league, if EDM trades for him I have to think that second year is something they target.


                        MAF has publicly stated that he wants to A.) play for a contending team and B.) extend to which ever team he gets traded to (also open to CHI extension) because he doesn't want to move his family. So, he most certainly WON'T entertain a rental. He's going to want to extend in EDM if he gets traded there. WHICH, imo is the best option because that will help develop Skinner over time rather than tossing him into the fire.
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                        Feb. 24, 2022 at 11:39 a.m.
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                        I feel like you are basing you opinion of Allen on his and the teams play before the coaching change. Would you have even believed for a second that Montembeault was capable of playing lights out hockey before the change? I wouldn't have and I would have waived him long ago if ot weren't for us needing a goalie. Now I wouldn't trade him for anything less than a 2nd or 3rd and even that is debatable depending on how Allen plays behind the rejuvenated team. We potentially have a Star starter (Price) a good NHL tandem 1B (Allen) and a very good NHL backup (Montembeault). Even if we do trade Allen our goalie depth would not be depleted. Allen is due back before the TDL so we will see how many games he gets in and if his play also has picked up.
                        Feb. 24, 2022 at 11:40 a.m.
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                        Edited Feb. 24, 2022 at 12:03 p.m.
                        Being realistic let’s narrow the list by
                        1- remove anyone with clauses that has only played in the states history unfortunately strongly suggests those are in place to prevent a move to Canadian city.
                        2- remove anyone with term because let’s face it smith is here till his deal expires and skinner must be on the team next year.
                        3- remove anyone that is unlikely to be moved because playing a big role for playoff team looking at husso there.
                        When go threw this process think it becomes clear the pool is much shallower than most suggest when saying oilers need to do something in net. There isn’t any clear “upgrade” I’d say smith and skinner provides the most realistic and best tandem down the stretch if kosk gets moved to facilitate a trade to bolster the d or depth scoring.
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                        Feb. 24, 2022 at 11:41 a.m.
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                        Quoting: Campabee
                        I feel like you are basing you opinion of Allen on his and the teams play before the coaching change. Would you have even believed for a second that Montembeault was capable of playing lights out hockey before the change? I wouldn't have and I would have waived him long ago if ot weren't for us needing a goalie. Now I wouldn't trade him for anything less than a 2nd or 3rd and even that is debatable depending on how Allen plays behind the rejuvenated team. We potentially have a Star starter (Price) a good NHL tandem 1B (Allen) and a very good NHL backup (Montembeault). Even if we do trade Allen our goalie depth would not be depleted. Allen is due back before the TDL so we will see how many games he gets in and if his play also has picked up.


                        TBH I think you essentially agreed with everything I said. Haha. His numbers are bad because of how bad MTL has been. But he also isnt a legit starter. thats Price.
                        Feb. 24, 2022 at 11:41 a.m.
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                        Quoting: Campabee
                        I feel like you are basing you opinion of Allen on his and the teams play before the coaching change. Would you have even believed for a second that Montembeault was capable of playing lights out hockey before the change? I wouldn't have and I would have waived him long ago if ot weren't for us needing a goalie. Now I wouldn't trade him for anything less than a 2nd or 3rd and even that is debatable depending on how Allen plays behind the rejuvenated team. We potentially have a Star starter (Price) a good NHL tandem 1B (Allen) and a very good NHL backup (Montembeault). Even if we do trade Allen our goalie depth would not be depleted. Allen is due back before the TDL so we will see how many games he gets in and if his play also has picked up.


                        EDIT** To answer your original question though, I think Allen can be had for a 2nd or similar valued RHD or LW prospect.
                        Feb. 24, 2022 at 11:43 a.m.
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                        TBH I think you essentially agreed with everything I said. Haha. His numbers are bad because of how bad MTL has been. But he also isnt a legit starter. thats Price.


                        My bad I thought you were saying that Allen was just bad and not worth the upgrade because of his play earlier in the year.
                        Feb. 24, 2022 at 12:11 p.m.
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                        Quoting: Timmah007
                        Being realistic let’s narrow the list by
                        1- remove anyone with clauses that has only played in the states history unfortunately strongly suggests those are in place to prevent a move to Canadian city.
                        2- remove anyone with term because let’s face it smith is here till his deal expires and skinner must be on the team next year.
                        3- remove anyone that is unlikely to be moved because playing a big role for playoff team looking at husso there.
                        When go threw this process think it becomes clear the pool is much shallower than most suggest when saying oilers need to do something in net. There isn’t any clear “upgrade” I’d say smith and skinner provides the most realistic and best tandem down the stretch if kosk gets moved to facilitate a trade to bolster the d or depth scoring.


                        I guess my thinking is this. You are right on all accounts, however, there is always a price to which these things can change. Like. Say Husso for example. At a certain point, if the offer is good enough, STL still makes that trade.

                        As for the NMC American stuff, Canada's restrictions for Covid are all starting to lift now, so I feel like players may soften their stances on that. As well as, McDavid factor may sway some people to a degree as far as the Oilers being a potential contender. Last night against the Lightning be a prime example of, if the Oilers had the goaltending, the beat one of the NHL's elite...
                        Feb. 24, 2022 at 12:25 p.m.
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                        Quoting: ksporer
                        I guess my thinking is this. You are right on all accounts, however, there is always a price to which these things can change. Like. Say Husso for example. At a certain point, if the offer is good enough, STL still makes that trade.

                        As for the NMC American stuff, Canada's restrictions for Covid are all starting to lift now, so I feel like players may soften their stances on that. As well as, McDavid factor may sway some people to a degree as far as the Oilers being a potential contender. Last night against the Lightning be a prime example of, if the Oilers had the goaltending, the beat one of the NHL's elite...


                        I agree to some extent. I’m not sure restrictions suppose to be loosening up is enough for someone with a family to come North we seen this happen a few times in Canada they loosen till icu units get filled up then restrictions are back in place. That’s a tough gamble for a guy with a family to be making mid season when it’s uncertain they can all pick up and go kids might have school to finish wives might have side jobs every family has different situations that can play huge factor not to mention the clause issue dates farther back than covid it’s basically the reason why clauses became a thing in the first place. Maybe the mcdavid effect plays a part but be much smaller factor than personal lives.
                        With husso how much will it take to pry him from the blues right now? Not to mention that’s kinda a slap in skinner face seeing as pushing skinner down for a guy that also has very limited nhl experience if going in that direction it’s gotta be skinner he’s earned it with this organization and done everything expected of.
                        Feb. 24, 2022 at 1:05 p.m.
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                        Kyle from Chicago
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                        Quoting: ksporer
                        Agreed. So that plays into cost?


                        If an extension was worked out immediately maybe? I’m not going to think about it to hard.
                        Feb. 24, 2022 at 1:19 p.m.
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                        I know there's a lot of talk about Varlamov not wanting to waive for a trip to Edmonton, but I also think you might be able to convince him to go by playing to his ego a little bit. He's clearly the #2 on the Island now, no more 1A/1B with Sorokin. If you feel like Sorokin is ready to move on from his security blanket (remember, part of the reason to let Lehner walk & sign Varlamov was the Russian connection with Sorokin), you can try to convince Varly that he'll be a starter on a playoff contender and then get the chance to be a goalie mentor to Skinner next year, something that might enhance his late career value when he goes UFA after 2022-23.

                        Isles can take back Mike Smith if the pick/prospect part of the deal is sweet enough, and just plug him in as Sorokin's backup next year instead of signing a UFA guy this summer. Like you said, lots of moving parts, but I'd say it's not completely out of the realm of possibility.
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