I think that Dubas should be demoted to being an Amateur/Pro scout. He's made some good moves drafting players (Sandin, Knies, Niemela, Amirov (whom we all hope has a speedy recovery), Robertson) and good acquisitions for the team (Muzzin, Campbell, Bunting, Kampf, Kase, Brodie). However he's made some big mistakes. Alot of fans will disagree with me but the biggest mistake was John Tavares signing. A cap-strapped team that put them deeper in the hole, 11 million in the hole, is just so unacceptable. Didn't even address their main need of defense, yes a good leader and point producer, good two way game but also slow and overpaid. Kadri was suspended in back to back playoffs, but hasn't been suspended in Colorado. And why, because he doesn't have to be the only guy playing with an edge. Another mistake, letting Mason Marchment go, had a great season in the AHL and only played 4 games for the Leafs. Should of been given at least 4th line minutes, and lost for nothing. Other mistakes, Foligno for very obvious reasons, the deal should of never happened, same with Rittich, picks lost for guys who had a cup of coffee with the Leafs. They also lost Gardiner and Hyman for nothing, management must know that they aren't in the plans for the future according to what they get in free agency, so a trade for a prospect or pick should have been done. The Mrazek deal looks bad, although I think that's more on him than Dubas. In his career he's actually put up pretty good numbers and approaches 500 games played. You don't do that by being a crappy goalie. And probably the biggest issue: the contract of Mitch Marner. Marner should be making 8 million, max 8.5, no way more than Draisatl. Matthews is a franchise player so I'm fine with that deal, and Nylander is very good value. That nearly 3 million off Marner's contract goes a long way. Now I'm signing Kadri to an arbitrary number, no idea how much he makes this offseason, but he's being paid 5.5 right now by Colorado, a steal for what he's putting up. But let's say he's the Leafs second line centre for next year.
With all that being said, and a deep draft coming up, and their performances against Buffalo, Montreal, Arizona, this team is NOT a Stanley Cup Contender, not even close, I think they should keep their picks and try to acquire some this offseason, not at the deadline. Let Campbell and Muzzin get healthy and just see what happens in the playoffs with this team. A new GM is needed, but I don't think Dubas should leave the organization because clearly he has talent.
if they got petro they wouldnt have got brodie. cant have both of them
They could cleary have afforded it, have they not signed Tavares and signed Marner for less, and kept Kadri as second line centre (4.5 million cap hit)
They could cleary have afforded it, have they not signed Tavares and signed Marner for less, and kept Kadri as second line centre (4.5 million cap hit)
Didn’t kadri get suspended in Colorado for head hunting Faulk?
Does Washington get rid of Wilson and Boston get rid of Marchand? I'd rather have Kadri's numbers and Pietrangelo on my team than Tavares right about now.
I'm confident that these contracts all landed under the issue of "want me to play for Babcock? pay me." I'm prepared to be called a moron for this, so have at it. Yes, blame it on management, because they're responsible.
In an alternate universe, everything is copacetic. Take out Toronto media and the rabid Twitter "fanalysts" scrutinizing every time someone farts, you have a better hockey team. Again, have at it, yes I'm a dumb idiot for saying this because all of these players are emotionless robots who aren't phased by anything. Look at how many players go play in another city and do well. Nobody breathes down their neck every time they screw up.
At this point, Marner and Tavares should get traded so they can go to work without being called a piece of human garbage by their fanbase daily.
I mean it is easy to look back with revisionist history on every move. I do not think signing a super star C in the middle of his prime is ever a bad thing. He has been excellent for the leafs the minute he signed. Sure Dubas has had some not so great moves but no GM bats 1.000. Signing Marchment to 4 million a year and signing Pietro would be worst for the Franchise than what actually happened. People were begging for Dubas to move Kadri after being suspened twice in the playoffs (which he did again). Was it a great move? No, but in fairness he went for Brodie instead but Kadri wouldnt waive his NMC. There was no way in hell Marner was accepting 8 million. I think if he was the leafs would have done that. Losing guys like Gardiner, Hyman, JVR and others for nothing is unfortunate but sometimes it is worth it. Trading them for a prospect or a pick when they are trying to compete makes not sense as it makes your team worse currently, instead they used those players services when they were cheap and a cost surplus, and did not resign them to big contracts after. Like imagine this team gave JVR 7 Million or Hyman 5.5. They would be in way worse situations. Also Gardiner barely played after he left Toronto due to injury. Being able to find cheap players to replace through free agency or the draft (So Sandin for Gardiner and Bunting for Hyman) has been a huge strength for Dubas. I know the team has not had crazy success in the playoffs, but Dubas has been a really good GM since taking over. He has made decent trades, good free agency decisions and great drafting.
I'm confident that these contracts all landed under the issue of "want me to play for Babcock? pay me." I'm prepared to be called a moron for this, so have at it. Yes, blame it on management, because they're responsible.
In an alternate universe, everything is copacetic. Take out Toronto media and the rabid Twitter "fanalysts" scrutinizing every time someone farts, you have a better hockey team. Again, have at it, yes I'm a dumb idiot for saying this because all of these players are emotionless robots who aren't phased by anything. Look at how many players go play in another city and do well. Nobody breathes down their neck every time they screw up.
At this point, Marner and Tavares should get traded so they can go to work without being called a piece of human garbage by their fanbase daily.
You are very right about Toronto media and fanbase, it is very bipolar. That being said, I'm not ****ting on Marner, just think he's overpaid. Not ****ting on Tavares, just don't think he's the right fit here.
Marner had a 94 point season as a 21 yr old going into his contract year.
To compare Leon had 77 points in his 3rd year and Aho had 83 in his 3rd year.
Still don't think he should make north of 9 million. Look at the contracts in Colorado. If Sakic was Dubas, he'd be giving McKinnon, Rantanen, and Landeskog 11 million each. That's not happening.
You are very right about Toronto media and fanbase, it is very bipolar. That being said, I'm not ****ting on Marner, just think he's overpaid. Not ****ting on Tavares, just don't think he's the right fit here.
Totally, I think things started with the right intentions. I do think they're both integral to the success of this team but that's just my feeling. It doesn't mean I'm right, but I'm naive and optimistic.
A lot of people fail to recognize that they were signed pre-covid with the hopes of a cap ceiling going up significantly. Every team has had to adapt, but Dubas was snakebitten by trying to secure his core. Either way, it's just adapt or die for Dubas. I just think people need to lighten the f up.. I'm a Leafs fan but the dehumanization of these players and the brass.. man. It makes watching the game less fun.
Our entire fanbase gaslights the whole organization and if/when they win, all will be forgiven. It's horrid.
Totally, I think things started with the right intentions. I do think they're both integral to the success of this team but that's just my feeling. It doesn't mean I'm right, but I'm naive and optimistic.
A lot of people fail to recognize that they were signed pre-covid with the hopes of a cap ceiling going up significantly. Every team has had to adapt, but Dubas was snakebitten by trying to secure his core. Either way, it's just adapt or die for Dubas. I just think people need to lighten the f up.. I'm a Leafs fan but the dehumanization of these players and the brass.. man. It makes watching the game less fun.
Our entire fanbase gaslights the whole organization and if/when they win, all will be forgiven. It's horrid.
I'm definitely not one of those fans who says they should trade such and such player for having a bad game, a coach for sitting a certain player, or a GM for a bad trade, I'm just looking at Dubas' career as a whole and think he could/should have made some more wise decisions with his team. He has the dollar power to do it and is backed by Shanahan and Rogers, and like I said made some great moves as a pro and scout trader, but I don't think he should be gm, I think they should keep him on as a scout if they don't progress this year in the playoffs, which looks very unlikely. Although he'll probably get a GM job somewhere else pretty easily.
Gaudreau had 30 goals, 78 points in his second season with the team, got 6.750 mill. Marner is overpaid.
So you are comparing contracts signed 3 years earlier (Leon and Johnny) to Marner. Makes sense to me.
MacKinnon and Crosby get paid under $7 and under $9 million each, gees that means Matthews is WAY overpaid.
*sarcasm alert*
Marner got paid BECAUSE of Dubas setting the internal player cap worth by signing J.T. to $11 million first and than Matthews nearly $12 million BEFORE the Marner contract.
If Dubas doesn't pay J.T. that large contract, he could have done better signing his own young stars. Lets not forget about him spending $7 million for the Kapanen and Johnsson duo.
So you are comparing contracts signed 3 years earlier (Leon and Johnny) to Marner. Makes sense to me.
MacKinnon and Crosby get paid under $7 and under $9 million each, gees that means Matthews is WAY overpaid.
*sarcasm alert*
Marner got paid BECAUSE of Dubas setting the internal player cap worth by signing J.T. to $11 million first and than Matthews nearly $12 million BEFORE the Marner contract.
If Dubas doesn't pay J.T. that large contract, he could have done better signing his own young stars. Lets not forget about him spending $7 million for the Kapanen and Johnsson duo.
"Marner got paid BECAUSE of Dubas setting the internal player cap worth by signing J.T. to $11 million first." A very important thing you just pointed out. Is Tavares worth 11 million to you? If the answer is no, I've just reinforced my argument that their players are overpaid. Matthew is an exception because he's a franchise player, Marner is not.
"Marner got paid BECAUSE of Dubas setting the internal player cap worth by signing J.T. to $11 million first." A very important thing you just pointed out. Is Tavares worth 11 million to you? If the answer is no, I've just reinforced my argument that their players are overpaid. Matthew is an exception because he's a franchise player, Marner is not.
J.T. is worth $11 million (rumor said that the SJS offered $13 million), just not to a team which had a half dozen young guns all coming off their elc.... that spelt cap hell disaster. We all watched it happened.
Do I have to remind you of the 94 point season Marner had and nearly pushed J.T. to become the first 50+ goal scorer since Andreychuck???
As a brown dude Kadri was my hero growing up but cmon this is such revisionist history Kadri was suspended in back to back playoff runs the one in 2019 stings so much because we were a better team than the bruins and they made it to game 7 of the cup finals. If Kadri had been in the lineup who knows how far they go, leafs management would have been foolish to allow kadri back if he was not traded and he was suspended again in the playoffs that would have been inexcusable. Leafs brass wanted to trade Kadri to the flames for Brodie instead of the package for Barrie but kadri nixed that "oh dufas probably gave him the no trade" no it was Lou, Lou is a good general manager when you have minimal skill on the roster he builds teams that are more than the sum of their parts but he ****ed over the leafs and dubas spend 2 years cleaning up the mess he left behind.Tavares was literally the biggest free agency signing post lockout, and he is still a PPG center in this league he's a hometown kid and he actually came back home idk what more he can do at this point.
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