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Created by: BadBadgers

Team: 2022-23 Vancouver Canucks

Initial Creation Date: Apr. 21, 2022

Published: Apr. 21, 2022

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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We are at a tough point. Our performance has been great under Boudreau and we would easily be in the playoffs if not for our awful start with the old regime. There are two issues.

1. This might be a fluke

We have been good but our defense has been greatly inflated by Demko being a god. Furthermore, we have had a tendency to lose to some real bad teams. I think this roster probably makes the playoffs but it isn't a cup contender. We still need a better defense and a couple more forwards, and that might be hard to achieve being a okay playoff team without loads of cap

2. Miller and Boeser

Both of these players are important for us especially Miller. That being said both need extensions. Boeser doesn't really fit what the FO and Boudreau likes (speed). Miller is great but paying him top dollar well into his 30s is a bit sketchy especially already being chained to OEL's contract. We can get great packages for them but it will makes us worse (Miller especially, without him we get a lot worse.

In the end I think we need to take a step back in order to become actual contenders. I feel a lot better about trading Miller now that Petey has bounced back and looks once again set to be a Superstar.

This ACGM I am going to keep Miller and then I will do one with the same moves except trading Miller

Btw someone should add a "filler team" or smthn as someone to trade with for an ACGM. When you do a minor trade for a pick it would be cool

Free Agent Signings

RESERVE LIST		YEARS	CAP HIT
Karlsson, Linus		2	$800,000

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Luostarinen, Eetu	3	$3,500,000
Kapanen, Kasperi	4	$3,500,000
Rathbone, Jack	2	$1,000,000
Lammikko, Juho	2	$950,000
Highmore, Matthew	2	$900,000

Trades

VAN

Kapanen, Kasperi [RFA Rights]
Marino, John

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This fits great for VAN. Marino could be a great fit with either Hughes (probably him) or OEL. Kapanen is fast and GMJR likes him so I could see it for sure. Myers is good but doesn't fit considering OEL is basically immovable. It sucks giving up Boeser but I think it will probably happen and in the end, it's the right move

PIT

Boeser, Brock [RFA Rights]
Myers, Tyler ($3,000,000 retained)

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Extension for BB agreed to before. Somewhere in the region of 7x7

This trade hinges on Pitt viewing Myers as a good 2nd pairing D. Considering Hextall seems to like big D-Men, Myers has been pretty good this season, and is actually good value at 3 mil I could see him do it.

VAN

Additional Details:

Ctrl+V from the Florida trade

VGK

Future considerations

Ctrl+V from the Florida trade

VAN

Hörnqvist, Patric
Luostarinen, Eetu [RFA Rights]
2022 3rd round pick (FLA)

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Nice young player. Hornqvist contract is short enough to not be a huge problem. Dadonov probably doesn't waive for us

FLA

Dadonov, Evgeni ($2,500,000 retained)

Additional Details:

Florida get a similar (slightly better) player than Hornqvist at half the price. Cap without downgrading TO much

VAN

2022 5th round pick (ANA)

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Don't really have room for him tbh. Would rather just have the cap

ANA

Dickinson, Jason

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Eh, he is decent. Still has a bit of value

VAN

2023 2nd round pick (DAL)

Additional Details:

The cap and pick is more helpful for the purposes of this retool

DAL

Pearson, Tanner

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has played really well under Boudreau. Nice top 9 guy to have for a contender

Buyouts

Braden Holtby: $1,900,000
Jake Virtanen: $500,000

Retained Salary Transactions

Tyler Myers: $3,000,000 (50%)
Evgeni Dadonov: $2,500,000 (100%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$82,500,000	$78,476,667	$1,250,000	$1,150,000	$4,023,333

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Miller, J.T. $5,250,000$5,250,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1	Pettersson, Elias $7,350,000$7,350,000 C, LW UFA - 2	Garland, Conor $4,950,000$4,950,000 RW, LW UFA - 4
Podkolzin, Vasily $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RW, LW RFA - 2	Horvat, Bo $4,125,000$4,125,000 C UFA - 1	Hörnqvist, Patric $5,300,000$5,300,000 RW M-NTC UFA - 1
Höglander, Nils $891,667$891,667 ($300,000$300K) LW, RW RFA - 1		Kapanen, Kasperi $3,500,000$3,500,000 RW UFA - 2
Lammikko, Juho $950,000$950,000 C, LW UFA		Highmore, Matthew $900,000$900,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
	Luostarinen, Eetu $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, C UFA - 2
	Karlsson, Linus $800,000$800,000 RW RFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Hughes, Quinn $7,850,000$7,850,000 LD UFA - 5	Marino, John $4,400,000$4,400,000 RD UFA - 5	Demko, Thatcher $5,000,000$5,000,000 G UFA - 4
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver $7,260,000$7,260,000 LD NMC UFA - 5	Schenn, Luke $850,000$850,000 RD UFA - 1	Martin, Spencer $762,500$762,500 G UFA - 2
	Coghlan, Dylan $762,500$762,500 RD RFA - 1
Rathbone, Jack $1,000,000$1,000,000 LD UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Dowling, Justin $750,000$750,000 C, LW UFA - 1		Poolman, Tucker $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD UFA - 3
Burroughs, Kyle $750,000$750,000 LD/RD UFA - 1		Ferland, Micheal $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1
Dermott, Travis $1,500,000$1,500,000 LD/RD UFA - 1		Keeper, Brady $762,500$762,500 RD UFA - 1

Apr. 21, 2022 at 1:16 a.m.

BadBadgers

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What would be a Miller trade that would work with this roster? We could sign an outside FA to fill his top 9 spot

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Apr. 21, 2022 at 1:24 a.m.

BeautifulIdiot

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Quoting: BadBadgers

What would be a Miller trade that would work with this roster? We could sign an outside FA to fill his top 9 spot

I like the ideas, I think that the Dadonov thing is really smart, I think that as crazy as it sounds miller is more replaceable, we can have a top 6 without him, its the supporting pieces that we need. I think that if we were to pedal miller and get a young RD and a young middle 6 forward and a 1st we should be looking good. I really like the fillerteam idea, lets just have it be seattle because theyre the new guys

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Apr. 21, 2022 at 1:29 a.m.

BadBadgers

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Quoting: BeautifulIdiot

Agree on Miller. I was going to include a trade for him but I couldn't really think of one so I just posted it like this. He is great and I love him but I really dont feel comfortable paying him a massive contract considering were not really contending yet.

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Apr. 21, 2022 at 1:34 a.m.

TheMooterus

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Dallas has enough mid/bottom-6 guys in the organization. They'll keep the pick

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Apr. 21, 2022 at 1:43 a.m.

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Quoting: TheMooterus

Dallas has enough mid/bottom-6 guys in the organization. They'll keep the pick

Agreed. DAL is far from a contender too.

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Apr. 21, 2022 at 2:05 a.m.

BadBadgers

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Quoting: TheMooterus

Dallas has enough mid/bottom-6 guys in the organization. They'll keep the pick

Quoting: justaBoss

Agreed. DAL is far from a contender too.

Fair. Idk why I put Dallas but I would imagine someone would pay that or at least a 3rd

Apr. 21, 2022 at 3:04 a.m.

Canucks33

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I've proposed these exact trades before. Apparently management wants to shake up the locker room chemistry, which to me sounds like Miller and/or Boeser are gone.

I think the Avalanche could be a good partner for a Miller trade. Say they don't make it to the Finals and Kadri walks, Miller (with an extension) makes a lot of sense. Newhook or Byram would be the main piece coming back along with a 1st.

I don't see the point of keeping Garland if we are trading Boeser. Boeser is the better player, so if we are moving him then we might as well collect even more assets by moving Garland too

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Apr. 21, 2022 at 3:26 a.m.

Canucks123

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Quoting: Canucks33

wouldn't mind keeping garland for another year still signed for a good contract for another 4 years

Apr. 21, 2022 at 3:54 a.m.

Knuckl3s

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Quoting: Canucks123

wouldn't mind keeping garland for another year still signed for a good contract for another 4 years

I would give Dickinson a chance to bounce back. Can't keep shipping out guys after they have a down season

I haven't heard anything about management wanting to shake up locker room chemistry, don't know where on Earth you are getting those impressions from

If Boeser or Garland goes, only one of them will get moved, not both. The team isn't rebuilding and they've been crystal clear about that

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Apr. 21, 2022 at 7:04 a.m.

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Logan_Ollivier

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You should do one where you trade both Miller and Boeser. You are bang on though, this team isn't a real contender. Or even close to it. Many Canuck fans see Budreau as this guy who made the team great but that's misleading. They are very streaky under Budreau. Started off with a huge run of wins and then Jan through March you were a 500 team. Then another streak in April. In both streaks you beat a lot of bad teams.

The reality is Benning put together a deeply flawed roster with major cap issues. Lots of bad contracts with term as well. I think moving those out and having a bad year next year (and should have been this year) and you would be on the path to be a contender the season after next. Jumping the gun on rebuilds is always a bad idea.

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Apr. 21, 2022 at 11:00 a.m.

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Quoting: Canucks33

I dont think Colorado will trade Byram or Newhook but I would like it

I would prefer we keep Garland. There isn't a rush to trade him and I would prefer we let him settle a bit more

Apr. 21, 2022 at 11:44 a.m.

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BadBadgers

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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier

Agreed. It's why I am happy we have our new FO. Benning would have absolutely taken this upturn in form as a reason to go all in and trade for another albatross contract. Hopefully, Rutherford and Allvin can look at the bigger picture

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Apr. 21, 2022 at 1:13 p.m.

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BeautifulIdiot

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Quoting: BadBadgers

Same, Theres a chance that he becomes the next joe pavelski but the odds of that are slim, it would be like giving 6m to a Swedish winger to play with the sedins

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Apr. 21, 2022 at 5:27 p.m.

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Knuckl3s

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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier

The Canucks don't have that many bad contracts if you actually look closely, only like 2 or 3, and the roster isn't deeply flawed. Canucks have also beaten some good teams on those streaks they went on. This team is pretty comfortably a .600 team

Apr. 21, 2022 at 5:28 p.m.

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Knuckl3s

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Quoting: BadBadgers

If Benning were desperately trying to save his job, he most likely would have, but keep in mind the context there. JR and Allvin aren't going to have any problem looking at the bigger picture I guarantee

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Apr. 21, 2022 at 5:54 p.m.

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Logan_Ollivier

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Quoting: Knuckl3s

This current 6 or 7 game stretch saw them beat 1 team in a playoff spot. In their other long streak, they predominantly beat weaker western teams as well.

Most of my thinking has been greatly influenced by watching the Leafs at the start of the salary cap. They were not good enough to be much more than a bubble team but kept believing they were better and made poor decisions that cost them down the road. I have seen it a lot in the cap era. Buffalo has on several occasions rushed a rebuild and it cost them dearly. Benning has done similar mistakes. They won a round after the pandemic shutdown and thought they were close when they weren't. I don't see their defence and anything short of weak and their forward depth isn't as good as they thought. In my view they should just retool and properly build up.

Apr. 21, 2022 at 6:12 p.m.

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Knuckl3s

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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier

They are for sure going to retool, but their defense isn't weak, it's average at worst, and the forward group is solid, it's not excellent, but it's solid as is. Obviously the team still needs to make significant improvements if they want to contend, but this team isn't a bottom feeder, they're still the bubble team everyone said they were. Benning certainly made his share of mistakes, but the only reason the Canucks took a step back from their bubble run in 2020 was by letting both Tanev and Toffoli walk in free agency

That said, I don't know what you mean by their forward group isn't as good as they thought, because we don't know what this current regime thinks of it

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