No one is giving a 1st for Barrie.

COL declines.
No need for Barrie or that contract

Chiarot got more.

Chiarot is way better than Barrie. And it was a TDL trade with half salary retained.

whatever

Regardless of Barrie value avs have no need for him

Why would the Canes not qualify Bear? I can see them trading him, but not qualifying him and losing him for nothing would be stupid.

1. Canes need extensions for Trocheck, Niederreiter, Domi, Necas and DeAngelo.

After Bear's QO of 2.4 million, the Canes will only have 17 million in cap space for those extensions as well as to fill out the rest of the roster.

When you look at it, the math isn't that great.



2. If you were to trade Bear, the other team foots the bill on his QO.

And Bear does not get a lot of ice time for the Canes and is a healthy scratch on some nights.

You're not going to get much interest, if any.

Why would COL 1) trade for a guy that they have traded away already 2) trade for a guy that they have 5 players at the same position who are better? Not even remotely realistic.

If they don't QO him, he's not worth the contract you have him.

1) I agree,
2) Makar and Toews. That's it.

I don't think Colorado is a fit, but to say that no one is giving up a 1st for a perennial 50-point RHD is extremely ignorant.

It's the same contract that Ken Holland signed him to back in December of 2020.

Also, some players go unqualified and are signed by another team at a similar cap hit.

Jujhar Khaira and Dominik Kahun are just two examples.

Trocheck is very likely going to price himself out of Carolina. Nino probably signs for about 4. Necas either bridges at 2-2.5 or goes long term at 4-5. Domi might sign for about 3.5-4, but probably would be about 2.5-3. DeAngelo is probably going to be signed for about 2-3. Bear has top 4 upside, and has played really well on the top pairing when he played on the top pairing. Plus, he is a RHD, which is a very valuable position right now. Considering how many ACGM’s I have seen in the past week about trading Bear, I think there would be interest.

Both guys signed for under a million bucks though - they were very low-risk signings.

You do realize most trade proposal including Barrie have him worth a mid round pick? He's even often considered a cap dump...

Wrong, Byram, Girard and Manson are all better. In some cases significantly, you’re acting like COL doesn’t know exactly what Barrie is his strengths and weaknesses.

No I'm not.

I'll give you Byram, he'll be better. The others aren't though. Barrie v Girard

5v5 on-ice rels

5v5 individual rates

All strengths individual

They have similar underlying numbers, but Barrie outperforms his underlying numbers while Girard underperforms his. Barrie also is better offensively. Girard is more expensive and smaller.

Now, I'm not saying Barrie is worth a first round pick.

But if your argument is that other people on this site have traded him for less or are considering him a "camp dump", you need better sources.

I'm not saying anyone here is an expert at evaluating players.

All i'm saying is there's a consensus that Barrie is worth a mid round pick at most. Some would say a cap dump.

If i had to guess, i would say a mid round pick, or traded for a player under a similar contract. Could be wrong.

Go ahead and tell me what those numbers are for their career and not just this year when admittedly Girard has had his worst season ever. If you really believe any GM is taking Barrie over Girard I have some prime real estate for you in the Everglades, because Girard produces more offense without playing on PP1. But hey you keep going with Barrie is perennial 50pt guy when he isn’t and is worth a 1st rd pick, when he isn’t , or that COL would take him over Makar, Toews, Byram, Girard or Manson when they moved him when they didn’t even have Toews Byram or Manson but they sure chose Makar and Girard over him.

Your comment tells me you didn't click any of the links. Or read what I wrote.

Loser.

No I read what you wrote and yes clicked and then I changed it for the last 2 seasons like I said. But hey you’re the one pushing patently false facts about Barrie’s scoring ability.

Douche

Hey guys stop calling each other names lol.

"If the Oilers win the Cup" lol