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How do they hit the cap floor

Created by: Archarte
Initial Creation Date: May 18, 2022
Published: May 18, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Buffalo Sabres
Team Explanation
Kevin Adams has done an amazing job realigning the teams roster with young talent and a deep prospect pool with more to come in the next few years. The problem in 2022-23 will be to reach the cap floor with the plethora of UFAs that will likely move on and prospects ready to move up to the NHL.

The Sabres could benefit dramatically from several two year veteran UFA signings to help the young defense and goaltending developed to its fullest potential. Dahlin, Powers and UPL would all feel more comfortable having seasoned talent to lean on. With short term contracts, this would help Buffalo reach the cap floor while keeping that cap available when it comes time to resign Dahlin, Powers and UPL in two years time if they show that potential to be real NHL level talent.

The forward core, while still very young would also benefit greatly from a more solid blueline and goalkeeping. Team members like Skinner, Tuck, Olofsson and Okposo are already in place to help the younger forward core develop and keep moving forward. While Mittelstadt remains questionable, Thompson, Cozens and Krebs are proving to be solid future additions to the forward core. Having $17,000,000.00 in cap space should ensure that these positive impact young teammates will remain in Buffalo for the foreseeable future.
Free Agent Signings
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Rosén, Isak3$975,000
Portillo, Erik3$975,000
Johnson, Ryan3$975,000
Levi, Devon3$975,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Biro, Brandon2$975,000
Bryson, Jacob2$975,000
Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka4$1,200,000
Murray, Brett2$925,000
Ruotsalainen, Arttu2$975,000
Olofsson, Victor4$3,750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Rutta, Jan2$2,500,000
Giordano, Mark2$6,750,000
Campbell, Jack2$6,500,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Geekie, Conor3$975,000
Buyouts
  • Cody Hodgson: $791,667
  • Christian Ehrhoff: $0
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2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$82,500,000$65,310,000$0$3,120,000$17,190,000
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Skinner, Jeff
$9,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 5
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Thompson, Tage
$1,400,000
C, RW
RFA - 1
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Tuch, Alex
$4,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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Olofsson, Victor
$3,750,000
LW, RW
RFA
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Mittelstadt, Casey
$2,500,000
C
RFA - 2
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Peterka, John-Jason
$855,833
RW, LW
RFA - 3
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Krebs, Peyton
$863,333
C, LW
RFA - 2
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Cozens, Dylan
$894,167
C, LW
RFA - 1
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Quinn, Jack
$863,333
RW
RFA - 3
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Asplund, Rasmus
$825,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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Girgensons, Zemgus
$2,200,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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Okposo, Kyle
$6,000,000
RW
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UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Giordano, Mark
$6,750,000
LD
UFA - 2
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Dahlin, Rasmus
$6,000,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2
Campbell, Jack
$6,500,000
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Power, Owen
$916,667
LD
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Jokiharju, Henri
$2,500,000
RD
RFA - 2
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Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka
$1,200,000
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Samuelsson, Mattias
$925,000
LD
RFA - 1
Rutta, Jan
$2,500,000
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ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Bjork, Anders
$1,600,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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Ruotsalainen, Arttu
$975,000
C, LW
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Fitzgerald, Casey
$750,000
RD
RFA - 1
Taxi Squad
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Bloom, Josh
$859,167 ($0)
LW
RFA - 3
Geekie, Conor
$975,000 ($0)
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Rosén, Isak
$975,000 ($0)
RW
RFA - 3
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Johnson, Ryan
$975,000 ($0)
LD
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Bryson, Jacob
$975,000 ($0)
LD/RD
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Levi, Devon
$975,000 ($0)
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May 18 at 11:41 a.m.
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just take ben bishop’s deal from dallas. it’s less money than cap hit and he’s only got a year left i believe
May 18 at 11:45 a.m.
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Gonna have to take a cap dump(s) or make a substantial UFA acquisitinon.
May 18 at 11:57 a.m.
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Gonna have to take a cap dump(s) or make a substantial UFA acquisitinon.


They will just add more player that can’t play anymore. Bishop, Gardner. They don’t want a cap dump that will take away a roster spot.
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May 18 at 11:58 a.m.
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Gonna have to take a cap dump(s) or make a substantial UFA acquisitinon.


Adams is unlikely to go after any of the 12 UFAs leaving buffalo this off season other than Anderson and that's doubtful. With Krebs, Quinn and Peterka likely to join the Sabres full time next season, this leaves Adams with the need to spend $20,000,000.00 on UFAs and through trade just to reach the cap floor. Buffalo is unlikely to take on any huge salary for more than two years given the need to sign Dahlin, Power and Mittelstadt if he shows any improvement next year. The remaining current cap space will get a hit from resigning Thompson and Cozens next offseason. The numbers and cap savings all make sense to keep this young core in place for a good long time.
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May 18 at 12:02 p.m.
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just take ben bishop’s deal from dallas. it’s less money than cap hit and he’s only got a year left i believe


What's the Ben Bishop deal? Picks to take on his cap hit from Dallas?
May 18 at 12:14 p.m.
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Quoting: Archarte
Adams is unlikely to go after any of the 12 UFAs leaving buffalo this off season other than Anderson and that's doubtful. With Krebs, Quinn and Peterka likely to join the Sabres full time next season, this leaves Adams with the need to spend $20,000,000.00 on UFAs and through trade just to reach the cap floor. Buffalo is unlikely to take on any huge salary for more than two years given the need to sign Dahlin, Power and Mittelstadt if he shows any improvement next year. The remaining current cap space will get a hit from resigning Thompson and Cozens next offseason. The numbers and cap savings all make sense to keep this young core in place for a good long time.


If we're giving 2.5M to a RHD vet, I'd much rather give it to Pysyk. He's already gelled with the team, has proven to be a positive impact on all our young players, and his impact on the ice is a definitive positive (both in terms of eye test and advanced stats).

Why are we taking on an unknown RHD when we could do much better with a guy we know that works?
May 18 at 12:17 p.m.
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What's the Ben Bishop deal? Picks to take on his cap hit from Dallas?


just the same as what happened with boychuk this year, take it for future considerations. he’s LTIRetired and counts for approx. 5mil against the cap for just next year, if he gets traded after july 1 they only would owe him 2.5mil.
May 18 at 12:25 p.m.
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just the same as what happened with boychuk this year, take it for future considerations. he’s LTIRetired and counts for approx. 5mil against the cap for just next year, if he gets traded after july 1 they only would owe him 2.5mil.


I don't see the point in taking on an empty cap hit when the team can spend close to the same amount for someone who would contribute and could be traded if a good offer comes along.
May 18 at 12:26 p.m.
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They will just add more player that can’t play anymore. Bishop, Gardner. They don’t want a cap dump that will take away a roster spot.


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Adams is unlikely to go after any of the 12 UFAs leaving buffalo this off season other than Anderson and that's doubtful. With Krebs, Quinn and Peterka likely to join the Sabres full time next season, this leaves Adams with the need to spend $20,000,000.00 on UFAs and through trade just to reach the cap floor. Buffalo is unlikely to take on any huge salary for more than two years given the need to sign Dahlin, Power and Mittelstadt if he shows any improvement next year. The remaining current cap space will get a hit from resigning Thompson and Cozens next offseason. The numbers and cap savings all make sense to keep this young core in place for a good long time.


I understand the situation. And I know you "don't want to take on the salary". But you have to, that is why there is a cap floor. Cap floors and ceilings and all the other rules surrounding managing NHL salaries are there to promote circulation of value around the league, so that teams aren't hoarding picks and players and tanking constantly for better draft picks. Vegas is on the opposite end of that spectrum now and they are paying the price for it. Buffalo will probably be forced to trade and/or hold back some young players and acquire older more established players with higher cap hits because of these rules. I don't know what else to tell you. I mean... I'm a CHI fan... imagine if CHI got to skirt all the rules and keep all their young players just because they wanted to, they would still have Panarin, Teravainen, Raanta, Forsling, Saad, Danault, Hartman, Schmaltz, etc. Which... I would be all for rules that allow teams to keep players they developed and/or drafted and rules that allow for more cap flexibility. But I get that those rules are there to help teams in smaller markets, and those teams would crash and burn if certain rules weren't there to help them stay competitive against teams that have the capital to spend tons of money every year. At the same time, most of those "smaller markets" are really just conservative owners who don't want to spend money to make money.
May 18 at 12:29 p.m.
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If we're giving 2.5M to a RHD vet, I'd much rather give it to Pysyk. He's already gelled with the team, has proven to be a positive impact on all our young players, and his impact on the ice is a definitive positive (both in terms of eye test and advanced stats).

Why are we taking on an unknown RHD when we could do much better with a guy we know that works?


While I agree that Pysyk has been a positive contribution to the blueline, Rutta is not an unknown, has more grit and much better with hits and blocked shotts. Rutta could give whoever plays left of him more comfort and room to move up the ice with the play.
May 18 at 12:34 p.m.
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I understand the situation. And I know you "don't want to take on the salary". But you have to, that is why there is a cap floor. Cap floors and ceilings and all the other rules surrounding managing NHL salaries are there to promote circulation of value around the league, so that teams aren't hoarding picks and players and tanking constantly for better draft picks. Vegas is on the opposite end of that spectrum now and they are paying the price for it. Buffalo will probably be forced to trade and/or hold back some young players and acquire older more established players with higher cap hits because of these rules. I don't know what else to tell you. I mean... I'm a CHI fan... imagine if CHI got to skirt all the rules and keep all their young players just because they wanted to, they would still have Panarin, Teravainen, Raanta, Forsling, Saad, Danault, Hartman, Schmaltz, etc. Which... I would be all for rules that allow teams to keep players they developed and/or drafted and rules that allow for more cap flexibility. But I get that those rules are there to help teams in smaller markets, and those teams would crash and burn if certain rules weren't there to help them stay competitive against teams that have the capital to spend tons of money every year. At the same time, most of those "smaller markets" are really just conservative owners who don't want to spend money to make money.


Yeah. That's the entire point in signing several short term UFAs as show in this lineup example. It's to be above the cap floor which they would be. Adams is under no obligation per the rules to spend that allowable $20,500,000.00 between the cap floor and ceiling. Holding that in reserve to pay the eight UFAs over the next two offseason just makes sense and is in line with what Adams has done to date.
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May 18 at 12:38 p.m.
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Yeah. That's the entire point in signing several short term UFAs as show in this lineup example. It's to be above the cap floor which they would be. Adams is under no obligation per the rules to spend that allowable $20,500,000.00 between the cap floor and ceiling. Holding that in reserve to pay the eight UFAs over the next two offseason just makes sense and is in line with what Adams has done to date.


Ok. The way you and that other guy worded your responses, it seemed like maybe you were arguing. But yeah, you also have to get veterans to agree to short term deals though... Which is difficult. Everyone wants term and stability. I'm sure they will figure it out though.
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May 18 at 12:41 p.m.
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I understand the situation. And I know you "don't want to take on the salary". But you have to, that is why there is a cap floor. Cap floors and ceilings and all the other rules surrounding managing NHL salaries are there to promote circulation of value around the league, so that teams aren't hoarding picks and players and tanking constantly for better draft picks. Vegas is on the opposite end of that spectrum now and they are paying the price for it. Buffalo will probably be forced to trade and/or hold back some young players and acquire older more established players with higher cap hits because of these rules. I don't know what else to tell you. I mean... I'm a CHI fan... imagine if CHI got to skirt all the rules and keep all their young players just because they wanted to, they would still have Panarin, Teravainen, Raanta, Forsling, Saad, Danault, Hartman, Schmaltz, etc. Which... I would be all for rules that allow teams to keep players they developed and/or drafted and rules that allow for more cap flexibility. But I get that those rules are there to help teams in smaller markets, and those teams would crash and burn if certain rules weren't there to help them stay competitive against teams that have the capital to spend tons of money every year. At the same time, most of those "smaller markets" are really just conservative owners who don't want to spend money to make money.


Additionally, The Pegula's are anything but conservative owners. They have already spent $170MM on the Harbor Center addition to the arena, have plans developing to spend as much as $400MM on improvements to the arena and have spent to the ceiling on the Bills to win. This teams owner will spend if the GM asks for it.
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May 18 at 12:51 p.m.
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I don't see the point in taking on an empty cap hit when the team can spend close to the same amount for someone who would contribute and could be traded if a good offer comes along.


just depends on who you can get to come to buffalo and how they want to allocate roster spots. it’s an easy way to the cap floor if they want to take it.
May 18 at 12:56 p.m.
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Additionally, The Pegula's are anything but conservative owners. They have already spent $170MM on the Harbor Center addition to the arena, have plans developing to spend as much as $400MM on improvements to the arena and have spent to the ceiling on the Bills to win. This teams owner will spend if the GM asks for it.


That's good news! I'd like to see Buffalo actually become a winning team. It's good for Buffalo and it's good for the NHL. Plus my dad is from Buffalo. So, I already have somewhat of an affinity for that city.
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