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Created by: alwaysnextyear
Team: 2022-23 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: May 26, 2022
Published: May 27, 2022
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The team should take the best possible ‘futures’ return for Miller they can get; maximize it by retaining 50% this year and letting the acquiring team negotiate an extension. I chose WSH here because of Ovi’s window and Backstrom’s injury status, but it could be a similar return from any interested team.

Then they extend Horvat and dip into free agency to fill roster holes to stay as competitive as they can. Paul and Manson would qualify as “sandpaper” types, but there are other options out there that would work as well. An offer sheet in the 2nd round pick compensation range is an option too.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$6,500,000
2$850,000
2$850,000
2$850,000
2$850,000
2$850,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$4,500,000
4$3,500,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Kuzmenko, Andrei
1$925,000
Trades
VAN
  1. Iorio, Vincent
  2. Lapierre, Hendrix
  3. 2022 1st round pick (WSH)
  4. 2022 2nd round pick (WPG)
WSH
  1. Miller, J.T. ($2,625,000 retained)
Additional Details:
WSH given permission to negotiate a Miller extension before the trade; Backstrom to LTIRetirement
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$82,500,000$80,280,834$1,250,000$1,150,000$2,219,166
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,950,000$4,950,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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$7,350,000$7,350,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW
UFA - 3
Kuzmenko, Andrei
$925,000$925,000
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$4,125,000$4,125,000
C
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$3,500,000$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 7
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$891,667$891,667 (Performance Bonus$300,000$300K)
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$850,000$850,000
C, LW
UFA
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$2,650,000$2,650,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$850,000$850,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$850,000$850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,850,000$7,850,000
LD
UFA - 5
$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 4
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
UFA - 4
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$7,260,000$7,260,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$850,000$850,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
G
UFA - 2
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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May 27, 2022 at 2:54 p.m.
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As a Caps fan I hope they don't do this. Can go spend the same package on a younger, cheaper player, but BMac is very aggressive so I could see him doing something like this. Wouldn't be the worst thing.
May 27, 2022 at 3:43 p.m.
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The Trade works(depending on the scouting of the 2 prospects I'm not very familiar with them) but I dont like the 8 Mil in UFA when next year you need to resign Horvat Hoglander Kuzmenko and Dermott and only have Dowling and Burroughs coming off the books? Only way to pick up a UFA Dman is to get rid of the Myers contract, also I would rather bury Poolman if he isnt LTIR next season hardly any cost savings from buying him out and then he eats a mil for 3 extra years when you are hopfully competing.
May 27, 2022 at 5:09 p.m.
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Quoting: Kith
The Trade works(depending on the scouting of the 2 prospects I'm not very familiar with them) but I dont like the 8 Mil in UFA when next year you need to resign Horvat Hoglander Kuzmenko and Dermott and only have Dowling and Burroughs coming off the books? Only way to pick up a UFA Dman is to get rid of the Myers contract, also I would rather bury Poolman if he isnt LTIR next season hardly any cost savings from buying him out and then he eats a mil for 3 extra years when you are hopfully competing.


True that Poolman could be buried instead. If you look at the “Long-Term Outlook” the following season is doable though, with about $20m available. If Horvat is $7.5, then $12.5 can be split between the remaining six guys. Only one of Hoglander and Kuzmenko is likely to produce enough offence to warrant a significant raise, and Dermott could be replaceable on the bottom pair if he wants too much.
May 27, 2022 at 5:45 p.m.
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The proposal isn't maybe horrible but it's kind of a bunch of a bunch of lotto tickets for a top line fwd. Not sure those prospects are particularly interesting. Neither seem like sure fire NHL players from what I can tell.
May 27, 2022 at 5:45 p.m.
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Quoting: ClockReads2113
As a Caps fan I hope they don't do this. Can go spend the same package on a younger, cheaper player, but BMac is very aggressive so I could see him doing something like this. Wouldn't be the worst thing.


Doesn't matter about being younger. The moment Ovi, Backstrom, Oshie fall off this team will need to be rebuilt.
May 27, 2022 at 11:29 p.m.
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The proposal isn't maybe horrible but it's kind of a bunch of a bunch of lotto tickets for a top line fwd. Not sure those prospects are particularly interesting. Neither seem like sure fire NHL players from what I can tell.


LaPierre is a sure fire NHLer and i think Iorio is a fringe guy.
May 28, 2022 at 8:08 a.m.
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I hope that Washington wouldn't do that trade, LaPierre and Iorio are two of the only legitimate prospects that they have, plus two good draft picks. I know that GMBM can be highly aggressive so I wouldn't be surprised if he did this to push the team into a win now mode for a final plyoff run with Ovechkin, but if he did this then Washington is truly just be throwing their future out the window.
May 29, 2022 at 1:57 p.m.
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Doesn't matter about being younger. The moment Ovi, Backstrom, Oshie fall off this team will need to be rebuilt.


Yeah that's 4 year away. Don't want to spend all those assets for 1 year then crazy overpay for 3 years after that.
Jun. 9, 2022 at 3:43 p.m.
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Yeah that's 4 year away. Don't want to spend all those assets for 1 year then crazy overpay for 3 years after that.


Thats the point, those assets aren't going to likely help you during your window. Certainly not the first couple yrs. It doesn't matter that Miller isn't 25, he's younger than your core thats the point, so there is no issue with his age. If you trade for him itd be with a new contract in mind. Why would you have to overpay Miller? He'd be worth every penny up to about 9 mil and bet he'd sign for as low as 7.5-8
Jun. 9, 2022 at 5:20 p.m.
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Thats the point, those assets aren't going to likely help you during your window. Certainly not the first couple yrs. It doesn't matter that Miller isn't 25, he's younger than your core thats the point, so there is no issue with his age. If you trade for him itd be with a new contract in mind. Why would you have to overpay Miller? He'd be worth every penny up to about 9 mil and bet he'd sign for as low as 7.5-8


Rather use it on a younger asset that will only get better not worse over the next 4 years.
Jun. 12, 2022 at 8:28 p.m.
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Rather use it on a younger asset that will only get better not worse over the next 4 years.


That is silly logic though. Almost all of your core players are older than him. You need a player who will be at the top of their game for 2-4 seasons. After that it's over for Caps and they'll prob need a retool. Miller is a great age to join this team.
Jun. 12, 2022 at 8:58 p.m.
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That is silly logic though. Almost all of your core players are older than him. You need a player who will be at the top of their game for 2-4 seasons. After that it's over for Caps and they'll prob need a retool. Miller is a great age to join this team.


Can find better players that are younger and cheaper.
Jun. 13, 2022 at 3:12 p.m.
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Can find better players that are younger and cheaper.


Considering Miller is probably a top 10-15 fwd in the league that's highly doubtful. No one trades that type of player. If they do come available it's rare. Miller is a great opportunity for any team that wants to win now.
Jun. 13, 2022 at 3:38 p.m.
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Considering Miller is probably a top 10-15 fwd in the league that's highly doubtful. No one trades that type of player. If they do come available it's rare. Miller is a great opportunity for any team that wants to win now.


I'd rather get Garland than Miller. Younger, much better play driver, cheaper to attain, and still pretty damn good offensively. And he'll cost $5M less.
Jun. 15, 2022 at 1:56 a.m.
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I'd rather get Garland than Miller. Younger, much better play driver, cheaper to attain, and still pretty damn good offensively. And he'll cost $5M less.


I'd be happy to trade Garland. Not even trying to do that "you obviously don't watch" thing but do you watch the Canucks often? My perspective as a fan who's watched prob 60% of our games this yr is that Garland is ok. He's feisty, an agitator and has good edges but he is very small, has below average straight line speed and one of the worst shot of any top 6 player in the league. Miller on the other hand is good at basically every aspect of the game.
Jun. 15, 2022 at 9:14 a.m.
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I'd be happy to trade Garland. Not even trying to do that "you obviously don't watch" thing but do you watch the Canucks often? My perspective as a fan who's watched prob 60% of our games this yr is that Garland is ok. He's feisty, an agitator and has good edges but he is very small, has below average straight line speed and one of the worst shot of any top 6 player in the league. Miller on the other hand is good at basically every aspect of the game.


Confused on the straight line speed thing, the dude can absolutely fly. He's been averaging 22 goals a game ever since he joined the NHL so his shot can't be that bad. I'll take him over Miller every day considering the cost.
Jun. 15, 2022 at 2:21 p.m.
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Confused on the straight line speed thing, the dude can absolutely fly. He's been averaging 22 goals a game ever since he joined the NHL so his shot can't be that bad. I'll take him over Miller every day considering the cost.


He certainly cannot fly. He is elusive though. Very good tight turns. He uses likely the shortest stick in the league, it comes up mid chest to him and he's one of the smaller guys. It's just kind of funny to hear you say that because he is just kind of an average player, where as Miller is legit all star level. Every time he has the puck he is doing something high level with it.

They have a similar cap hit next season. Miller had basically twice the the points 99 v 52. He also can play center or wing at a very high level. Trust me you don't want Garland over Miller. That said if you think you do I'd be open to it. What would you offer?
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Jun. 15, 2022 at 2:33 p.m.
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He certainly cannot fly. He is elusive though. Very good tight turns. He uses likely the shortest stick in the league, it comes up mid chest to him and he's one of the smaller guys. It's just kind of funny to hear you say that because he is just kind of an average player, where as Miller is legit all star level. Every time he has the puck he is doing something high level with it.

They have a similar cap hit next season. Miller had basically twice the the points 99 v 52. He also can play center or wing at a very high level. Trust me you don't want Garland over Miller. That said if you think you do I'd be open to it. What would you offer?


I do think Miller is better, but when taking into account age, play driving, cost to attain and cost to keep, I'd take Garland.

As for an offer, it depends on what VAN is looking for. Do they want a player in return? Do they solely want pick and/or prospects? A combination of a player, pick, prospect?
Jun. 19, 2022 at 12:29 a.m.
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I do think Miller is better, but when taking into account age, play driving, cost to attain and cost to keep, I'd take Garland.

As for an offer, it depends on what VAN is looking for. Do they want a player in return? Do they solely want pick and/or prospects? A combination of a player, pick, prospect?


Hey by all means if you wanna offer the same package we're expecting for Miller for Garland I'd be over the moon.

Im genuinely baffled though, age as I've been trying to get through to you is irrelevant given the caps window, they'll make the same next yr, Miller scored double the points and contributed every possible intangeable, and somehow you like Garland. I don't even understand. I'll grant after next season Miller will be probably making 8-9 is that all it is? You can't say they're even comparable players.
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