FYI, I don't actually expect Morrow to NHL ready for at least another 2 seasons.

Miller to CAR is a pipe dream…for Canuck fans

Carolina is exactly a team that could use Miller but Canes fans don’t want him for some reason. The way Canes fans rave about Morrow is like if Canucks fans would think Aiden McDonough is the next Lemieux. Good prospects but they’re overrating him like crazy

I know there are canes fans on here that seem to be rating Morrow way too high. Not disputing that and while I’m excited about him and think he has high end potential the jury is still out on what he actually becomes. I’m not opposed to moving him in the right deal and I think Miller would be a good fit, however I don’t think the Canes would extend him to a deal he wants so I’d rather look for other players that are younger if we’re going to give up a good package of assets.

Just like you think Canes fans are being unreasonable, a lot of Canucks fans are overlooking the perspective above as to why we don’t think it’s a trade that would work.

Is Miller the difference between a second round flop and going all the way to the end? I don’t think so

You have the Canes fans who have high expectations for Morrow and then you have the Canucks fans who think Miller is the second coming.

Miller to Carolina doesn’t work for multiple reasons. First of all, Carolina has historically made moves for players with term before going for rentals, especially if they can’t resign those rentals. That is the case with Miller, he would be a pure rental who would walk in UFA because 1) the Canes can’t afford to resign him, and 2) the contract he wants in unrealistic for his numbers over the course of his career. Secondly, since Miller is apparently the second coming or whatever, Vancouver wants the moon and the Canes won’t oblige. Third, he will be on the wrong side of 30 when his contract is due, and with his season this year looking like a one hit wonder (and yes, until he replicates the success he had this year, it is a one hit wonder season), the likelihood of him regressing would be pretty high. Hell, if he does replicate this season, I will eat my hat.

The Canes aren’t going to mortgage their future on someone who would be pure rental, so can we please stop wasting each other’s time.

These are the types of responses I enjoy reading on here, reasonable, well thought out and articulate.

Thank you, sir! I try to be even keeled as much as possible on here. It’s rarely a black and white situation so why treat it like that, There’s nuances to all teams and scenarios.

I agree with some of what you say and other parts not so much.

I don't think most Canucks fans are saying JT is the second coming, they are saying he is a top 10 scorer in the NHL which is currently is. If your referring to the second coming in reference to most Canucks fans asking price, I don't think this proposed trade is a massive upgrade from the confirmed offer that the NYR made for JT near the deadline, one which one of the most experienced GM's in the NHL felt was underwhelming. Projecting a second coming would be something like, someone predicting a D prospect would be the next Cale Makar, the best defenseman that ever lived...

As for a one hit wonder... this was probably a career year for JT I wont argue that, however he has now averaged over a PPG in two of his last three years and the other year he averaged .87PPG. A career year likely but far from a one hit wonder. A one hit wonder would be someone like Jim Carey who played 172 games and one a Vezina in 95-96 when he played 71 games for the Washington Capitals.

That being said I can understand your other points, whoever gives up the large package it will take to get Miller will certainly think they have a legitimate chance at winning the cup next year.

That is definitely the question!

If the Cane's don't believe they are legitimate cup contenders next year, then I wont argue, they don't make the deal.

I understand the fans perspective but it’s not the fans running the team. You got to ask yourself if it is something management would do. Imo yes they would have a look at Miller even as a rental. I could be wrong since I don’t follow Carolina but it makes sense

I mean he could very well be. Adding a 100pt C or LW would have gone a long way in beating NYR

That’s exactly my point - this management team doesn’t operate that way. They go after guys with term or guys that they think they can extend and stay away from rentals who would want a large extension into their late 30s.

This isn’t a fan opinion that the value is off or that Miller wouldn’t fit. It’s all about the way this management group operates and based on that a deal like this for Miller is very unlikely.

Now can they change how they operate? Absolutely. And an argument can be made that they should because the team is directly in their contention window and they should maximize every year. That hasn’t been the case yet though and until they make moves that shows they’re willing to alter their style a move like this is very unlikely.

They just got Domi at the TDL did they not? And he’s a rental. So it’s not like they’ve never traded for a rental

And tell me how much they gave up for him? Have to use a little logic there.

I feel like I gave rational, logical and historical context as to why these Miller to CAR deals are unlikely but just like you pile on Canes fans who blindly trash those offers and over state Morrow, it seems like there are just as many nucks fans that are just as blindly irrational.

2 sides trying to force their opinions down each other’s throats rarely results in one of the sides changing their minds.

I totally understand your logic and it makes a lot of sense, however none of us are in the business so it remains a possibility.

I was adamant the Canucks would have no interest in Dermott and trashed Leafs fans who suggested Canucks would give up a 4th let alone a 3rd for him. But to my surprise Dermott is a Canucks and they gave a 3rd for him. Imo it really made no sense from a Canucks perspective but it happened so can’t really discount it

Yep, fair point. Anything is possible at end of day