Colorado and Washington decline

I've seen ACGMs from the other team make these exact trades but alright lol

Girard could be moved this offseason, but he is not expendable. Beauvillier is a decent pick up and could help the Avs middle 6 alot but at the proposal of 1 to 1, Girard is the better asset to keep onto.

I’m not a fan of either team so I could be off but I don’t think either one is that close. Who knows though you will never find a place with more polarizing opinions than here haha

Caps MIGHT do it for Vanecek, but they aren't trading Sammy for 1 year of Varly.

When I say Girard is expendable I don't mean he's worthless. But like, he very evidently isn't a piece they necessarily need to make the run that they did. Maybe the Isles can throw in a prospect like Bolduc to bridge the gap but I think for what each team needs we make pretty good trading partners in this situation

Dobson won’t sign that bridge deal so you are gonna end up over the cap. I also don’t think isles r gonna have to dump bailey tbh but that’s a minor detail. Real issue here is that isles can’t Girard if they signed Johnny Hockey which means you would have to find an alternative Beau trade.

Caps rode Vanecek more this season no? Plus they traded back for him after expansion. I'd think all else being equal that they value him more. Also, Varly could always extend in Washington. Don't know if he only there for the year necessarily

Honestly I don’t understand this idea that Girard is worth more than Beau tbh. He has great numbers on a really good team, but they won a cup with Jack Johnson playing on the third pair lol. I don’t think a guy who is hurt holds the kind of value Avs fans think he does.

Avs wont be able to keep Manson, EJ may retire (he said he thought about it last year). If you lose those those guys, their top 4 is still Makar Byram, toews and Girard. They need to keep their talent in the top 4. Depending on what happens with EJ and or Manson, Girard isnt really expendable.

If Manson comes back at a 4x4 cap hit then yes I can see the logic of him becoming easier to move. Unless there is a top 4 replacement plan in place for Girard, I think hes in the have to pry him out of Colorado territory

Real issue here is that Samsanov is ten years younger than Varly. But the Isles have no incentive to trade Varly to a division rival without a good return. Since Sorokin needs a someone to speak Russian with it doesn’t make sense to trade Varly for anyone on Washington but Samsanov.

I’m not worried about Manson leaving the Avs tbh lol. I think he won’t command more than 4 X 4 anyway and if he leaves it’s not gonna be nearly as easy to play with a defenseman not named Byram lol.

I think we may be a bit surprised on the number Dobson gets. He looked amazing, do not get me wrong, but is a stretch of 50 or whatever games he had really going to break the bank on a bridge? He should not make more than Pulock or Pelech out of principle. And hell, if anything the Isles already showed him some goodwill by not sending him back to juniors and letting him grow with the group. He got NHL salary before he should have lol

You have to remember Dobson broke out when Pulock got hurt. His improvement came because of increased ice time. Also the islanders keeping him up in 19-20 instead of sending him to juniors isn’t a sign of good will. It’s a sign of stupidity lmao.

I mean I could see Dobson sliding in at 3 and 15-18 million total. The idea he shouldn’t get more than Pelech who took a discount isn’t that realistic. Pelech chose to take that to play with Pulock and Dobson isn’t taking a discount to play with Big Z or Andy Greene lmao.

I would try and trade Bailey for Schmidt before cap dumping him. Might be able to find a team willing to part with a third rounder for him and then flip that pick for Schmidt or someone like him anyway.

Then I’d trade Beau for draft capital and then I’d move Varly. I think if u treat Bailey as a negative asset and you don’t get draft capital for Beau then this team will be in cap hell for the foreseeable future.

I don't think it was stupid at all. He won two memorial cups and was dominating that age group. They eased him in and got acclimated to the big stage with the best talent in the world. From an ELC standpoint sure sliding another year would have been nice. But learning with the d-partners he has had since being here is definitely valuable

Sitting him behind Boychuk was not a gesture of good will tho lol. It was a terrible move just from a control standpoint and that can’t be denied. It’s not like they even played him! They did the same **** with beau under Garth and that didn’t help them either!

Only thing he’s learned from Greene and Chara is how to patrol the whole blue line by himself. End of the day I don’t c why he gives them a discount cause they sure as hell haven’t earned it.

Maybe we remember the early start to Dobson's career differently. I recall him having the yips pretty consistently. I really don't mind the way he was sheltered. Wasn't totally ready to be thrown to the wolves. Now? I'd put him out there against anybody and I pray he doesn't have a ball and chain like Chara dragging him down

Oh he had the yips cause he needed another year. It would’ve been better to let him play in the Q another year and focus on his defense and development.

They burned a year of control and didn’t play him. If he played 82 games I would not have minded it. But this was the worst of both worlds. He didn’t play and he lacked confidence because of it. Personally I don’t c the advantages but this is a fanbase who gives credit to Barry for scratching guys. Scratching Pelech didn’t make him an all star. Benching Barzal for long stretches during his first year behind the bench didn’t help Barzal. Dobson broke out cause Pulock got hurt and they had to play him. Organization deserves 0 and I mean 0 credit for his development. It’s a ****ing embarrassment.

They split pretty evenly this past season going with the hot hand. I think its generally accepted among fans and management/coaching that Vanacek is more consistent, but is consistently average to slightly below average. He will make almost all the saves he should, but almost none of the ones he shouldn't and a 1b/backup is probably both his ceiling and his floor. Samsonov is inconsistent and definitely can cost you some games, but does have the ability to keep you in games you probably shouldn't. He definitely has more talent and a higher upside.

If they are move one of the two for a stopgap (in terms of age / contract) goalie like Varlamov, I think they would prefer to move VV. If they were getting someone they think can be the starter for the next 3-5 years (Gibson, Kuemper), I think they would want to move Samsonov. If they did the straight up deal you proposed here I wouldn't be mad or think they got screwed, but there are probably better options (for the Islanders as well) out there.

Would you trade Girard if the isles included the 2022 1st round pick

They like Sammy more for sure. Much higher ceiling. And Caps shouldn't be in the business of signing 36 year old goalies. If they bring in Varly it's to help Sammy then let him be the starter the following season. At least that's how I see it.