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    Jul. 8, 2022 at 2:18 p.m.
    #26
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    Quoting: Copenhagen
    Puljujärvi stats

    Here are some more of his underlying numbers, and how they rank among the aforementioned 171 players:

    CF/60 – 1st
    CA/60 – 29th
    SCF/60 – 23rd
    SCA/60 – 128th
    GF/60 – 55th
    GA/60 – 9th
    xGF/60 – 5th
    xGA/60 – 69th
    OR
    https://twitter.com/zjlaing/status/1524477349240004610?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1524477349240004610%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Funmvnc%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse
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    https://www.facebook.com/OilersNation/photos/a.1290639507657089/5152399664814368

    Lol OKAY, no problem.


    Then don’t trade him if he’s so great? You and all other oilers fans on here try to move him in just about every post you guys do. Wonder why that is.
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 2:18 p.m.
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    Quoting: vikhodush
    Ok than keep the better player - notice it’s never canes posts that have Necas for Pulj swaps, always oilers ones.


    Puljujärvi from what is said doesn't want to play in Edmonton because he wants top 6 minutes. That is why the trade. I would absolutely love to keep him.
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 2:19 p.m.
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    Quoting: Copenhagen
    Puljujärvi from what is said doesn't want to play in Edmonton because he wants top 6 minutes. That is why the trade. I would absolutely love to keep him.


    Well he would hate it in CAR then so trade doesn’t work regardless of value.
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 2:19 p.m.
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    Quoting: vikhodush
    Then don’t trade him if he’s so great? You and all other oilers fans on here try to move him in just about every post you guys do. Wonder why that is.


    Puljujärvi from what is said doesn't want to play in Edmonton because he wants top 6 minutes. That is why the trade. I would absolutely love to keep him.

    This is why the trade.
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 2:21 p.m.
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    Quoting: Copenhagen
    Puljujärvi from what is said doesn't want to play in Edmonton because he wants top 6 minutes. That is why the trade. I would absolutely love to keep him.

    This is why the trade.


    Yeah and he’d be out of our top 6 so the trade still doesn’t make sense..
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 2:30 p.m.
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    Quoting: vikhodush
    Yeah and he’d be out of our top 6 so the trade still doesn’t make sense..


    You should let your buddies know on this site you have no interest in JP.
    10 times on the first page of the Hurricanes are JP to the Hurricanes trades.
    Why do you guys like him so much???
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 2:33 p.m.
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    His lower games played in the last previous 2 seasons were because of injuries but he was 100% the starter when healthy. But hey if you want to run a waiver wire goalie as your starter I have super exited as a Flames fan


    Should we go after Campbell who played one full season as Starter? Or to bad Husso (who also played almost 1 full season as starter) (to late for Hussu)
    Who would you go after?
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 2:34 p.m.
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    Quoting: Copenhagen
    Should we go after Campbell who played one full season as Starter? Or to bad Husso (who also played almost 1 full season as starter) (to late for Hussu)
    Who would you go after?


    No idea but I do not think Comrie has proven himself to be anything more than Scott Wedgewood caliber
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 2:35 p.m.
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    Quoting: Copenhagen
    You should let your buddies know on this site you have no interest in JP.
    10 times on the first page of the Hurricanes are JP to the Hurricanes trades.
    Why do you guys like him so much???


    Lol ok I’ll bite - out of the last 10 canes acgms, 3 include trades with the oilers. Out of those 3, 2 include trades for Pulj. Out of those 2, 0 include Necas going back.

    But sure, every canes fan wants to overpay for Pulj who can’t even put points up playing on McD or drai’s wings. Not to mention how poorly your FO has managed him throughout his career and this season causing you to have no leverage.

    Might the Canes be interested in him? Sure, to play third line at a reasonable cap hit after acquiring him for 2/3 pick. Let’s not act like the dude is world class.
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 2:38 p.m.
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    Quoting: Copenhagen
    Should we go after Campbell who played one full season as Starter? Or to bad Husso (who also played almost 1 full season as starter) (to late for Hussu)
    Who would you go after?


    You could still sign Comrie but I if you want to take a risk on a goalie trading for Blackwood has the best odds of being a legitimate #1.
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 2:41 p.m.
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    Quoting: CD282
    Maybe he's just following Sakic's example?


    Lol. You got a chuckle out of me. If EDM had the defensive game that the Avs do, then I'd be all for it, but they don't so it's an interesting strategy
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    Jul. 8, 2022 at 2:42 p.m.
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    You could still sign Comrie but I if you want to take a risk on a goalie trading for Blackwood has the best odds of being a legitimate #1.


    But Blackwood has only played 1 year as starter and a .892 sv%
    But yes he is another option
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 2:43 p.m.
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    Lol ok I’ll bite - out of the last 10 canes acgms, 3 include trades with the oilers. Out of those 3, 2 include trades for Pulj. Out of those 2, 0 include Necas going back.

    But sure, every canes fan wants to overpay for Pulj who can’t even put points up playing on McD or drai’s wings. Not to mention how poorly your FO has managed him throughout his career and this season causing you to have no leverage.

    Might the Canes be interested in him? Sure, to play third line at a reasonable cap hit after acquiring him for 2/3 pick. Let’s not act like the dude is world class.


    If he was world class I would be asking for more than a 3rd line player.
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    Jul. 8, 2022 at 2:44 p.m.
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    Quoting: Copenhagen
    If he was world class I would be asking for more than a 3rd line player.


    Can ask whatever you want, it gets rejected immediately. Necas stays put or gets packaged for an upgrade, end of conversation.
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 2:46 p.m.
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    But Blackwood has only played 1 year as starter and a .892 sv%
    But yes he is another option


    Blackwood is 25 and has played 3 years as a starter. the previous 2 seasons he was the clear starter, this year he was as well until he got hurt (plus missed games due to not initially getting the shot)
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 3:08 p.m.
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    Quoting: vikhodush
    Can ask whatever you want, it gets rejected immediately. Necas stays put or gets packaged for an upgrade, end of conversation.

    Puljujarvi IS an upgrade. I already demonstrated that back on the last page.
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    Jul. 8, 2022 at 3:10 p.m.
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    Puljujarvi IS an upgrade. I already demonstrated that back on the last page.


    No he’s not, not for the canes. We need impact players who can score and make plays for others to score. Not more possession heavy forwards that don’t actually contribute in the score sheet. Analytics and underlying metrics are great but it’s very clear what the canes need more of and it’s not Pulj.

    So once again, keep who you think is the better player. Idk why you feel the need to jump back in if you think Pulj is better and don’t want to trade him for Necas. Most canes fans also don’t want a Necas for Pulj trade so enjoy your day!
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 3:15 p.m.
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    Lol. You got a chuckle out of me. If EDM had the defensive game that the Avs do, then I'd be all for it, but they don't so it's an interesting strategy

    TBH it won't take much to push this team past the Avs.
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 3:29 p.m.
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    TBH it won't take much to push this team past the Avs.


    Come again? My memory might be a little hazy, but I seem to recall the Oilers being swept by the Avs...

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    Jul. 8, 2022 at 3:39 p.m.
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    Quoting: Foppa21
    Come again? My memory might be a little hazy, but I seem to recall the Oilers being swept by the Avs...

    1myuho.jpg



    Smith in Net
    Game 1 .760
    Game 2 .900
    Game 3 .929
    Game 4 .857
    That is a .861 average, which is worse than an AHL goalie

    A decent goalie would have made a big difference.
    But I bet you don't recall how bad the Oilers goaltending was?
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 3:52 p.m.
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    Quoting: Copenhagen
    Smith in Net
    Game 1 .760
    Game 2 .900
    Game 3 .929
    Game 4 .857
    That is a .861 average, which is worse than an AHL goalie

    A decent goalie would have made a big difference.
    But I bet you don't recall how bad the Oilers goaltending was?


    Kuemper
    Game 1 0.813

    Francouz
    Game 1 0.857
    Game 2 1.000 (chef's kiss)
    Game 3 0.931
    Game 4 0.857

    The Avs just won the cup with Kuemper averaging 0.898 throughout the playoffs, so...try again? Smith was terrible at times, but he also kept you in it when the Avs poured it on.
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    Jul. 8, 2022 at 4:03 p.m.
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    Quoting: Foppa21
    Come again? My memory might be a little hazy, but I seem to recall the Oilers being swept by the Avs...

    1myuho.jpg


    Quoting: Copenhagen
    Smith in Net
    Game 1 .760
    Game 2 .900
    Game 3 .929
    Game 4 .857
    That is a .861 average, which is worse than an AHL goalie

    A decent goalie would have made a big difference.
    But I bet you don't recall how bad the Oilers goaltending was?


    Smith was playing injured, so much so that he likely isn't going to recover in time to play hockey all next season. So there's that.

    But if you look at how Colorado performed against each team they met in the postseason, only one really challenged them at 5v5. Here are Colorado's stats in each series:

    vs NAS: 59.66 xGF%, 62.69 SCF%, 56.58 HDCF%
    vs STL: 59.84 xGF%, 62.93 SCF%, 62.89 HDCF%
    vs EDM: 53.28 xGF%, 53.03 SCF%, 46.07 HDCF%
    vs TBL: 60.57 xGF%, 60.20 SCF%, 56.73 HDCF%

    As for Colorado's vaunted defense, here's how many high danger chances they allowed from each opponent:

    NAS: 9.95 HDCA/60
    STL: 6.89 HDCA/60
    EDM: 15.06 HDCA/60
    TBL: 9.00 HDCA/60

    Again Edmonton is the anomaly.

    Here's a look at how the two teams performed down the stretch, from Feb 10th through the end of the regular season:

    Record
    2. Edmonton: .724 (38 gp)
    8. Colorado: .662 (37 gp)

    GF - GA = goal differential
    Edmonton: 3.82 - 2.76 = +1.06
    Colorado: 3.38 - 2.76 = +0.62

    SF - SA
    Edmonton: 34.8 - 32.4
    Colorado: 34.8 - 33.2

    Net PP, Net PK
    Edmonton: 21.4%, 87.0%
    Colorado: 21.4%, 82.8%

    There really isn't much daylight between these clubs.
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    Jul. 8, 2022 at 4:10 p.m.
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    Quoting: Foppa21
    Kuemper
    Game 1 0.813

    Francouz
    Game 1 0.857
    Game 2 1.000 (chef's kiss)
    Game 3 0.931
    Game 4 0.857

    The Avs just won the cup with Kuemper averaging 0.898 throughout the playoffs, so...try again? Smith was terrible at times, but he also kept you in it when the Avs poured it on.


    Francouz .916 through the Edmonton series. If you cant see the difference between Francouz .916 average and .857 Smith in the series, than I cant help you and am at a lost for words.
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 4:10 p.m.
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    Smith was playing injured, so much so that he likely isn't going to recover in time to play hockey all next season. So there's that.

    But if you look at how Colorado performed against each team they met in the postseason, only one really challenged them at 5v5. Here are Colorado's stats in each series:

    vs NAS: 59.66 xGF%, 62.69 SCF%, 56.58 HDCF%
    vs STL: 59.84 xGF%, 62.93 SCF%, 62.89 HDCF%
    vs EDM: 53.28 xGF%, 53.03 SCF%, 46.07 HDCF%
    vs TBL: 60.57 xGF%, 60.20 SCF%, 56.73 HDCF%

    As for Colorado's vaunted defense, here's how many high danger chances they allowed from each opponent:

    NAS: 9.95 HDCA/60
    STL: 6.89 HDCA/60
    EDM: 15.06 HDCA/60
    TBL: 9.00 HDCA/60

    Again Edmonton is the anomaly.

    Here's a look at how the two teams performed down the stretch, from Feb 10th through the end of the regular season:

    Record
    2. Edmonton: .724 (38 gp)
    8. Colorado: .662 (37 gp)

    GF - GA = goal differential
    Edmonton: 3.82 - 2.76 = +1.06
    Colorado: 3.38 - 2.76 = +0.62

    SF - SA
    Edmonton: 34.8 - 32.4
    Colorado: 34.8 - 33.2

    Net PP, Net PK
    Edmonton: 21.4%, 87.0%
    Colorado: 21.4%, 82.8%

    There really isn't much daylight between these clubs.


    As I've heard for the past few years regarding the Avs, none of it matters unless you win in the postseason.
    Jul. 8, 2022 at 4:11 p.m.
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    Quoting: Copenhagen
    Francouz .916 through the Edmonton series. If you cant see the difference between Francouz .916 average and .857 Smith in the series, than I cant help you and am at a lost for words.


    Kuemper had a 0.898. Smith wasn't great, no, but don't blame this entirely on him.
     
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