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Quoting: Shylo_Moxii

1 Perron wanted 5.5-6M AAV on 3 years, 2 Greiss yeah I don't understand, 3 if we signed Perron guess who goes out the door? Kyrou's extension and a future trade acquisition that could happen.

Are you sure? He signed in Detroit at 2x4.75. Also, why would that go out the door? It would be one year of 4.75 harder than it was. Not it’s 3 years of 4M harder. We basically said, you know what’s fun? Having scandella and his contract weigh us down, let’s do it again!

Jul. 13, 2022 at 4:20 p.m.

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we still could trade Scandella and sign a forward like Heinen,Janmark,Jarnkrok. But yeah overall not a great day

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Jul. 13, 2022 at 4:21 p.m.

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Quoting: Shylo_Moxii

1 Perron wanted 5.5-6M AAV on 3 years, 2 Greiss yeah I don't understand, 3 if we signed Perron guess who goes out the door? Kyrou's extension and a future trade acquisition that could happen.

yeah Perron leaving sucks, but the moves today were designed to keep around Thomas and Kyrou for sure. Leddy isn't a horrible deal, he did play well for the Blues when he joined the team. He is a good partner for Parayko in all honesty and the options for that were very slim without moving a lot to acquire a LD through trade. Scandella is hopefully moved at the TDL or next offseason. Blues still need to sign Kostin, Perunovich, and Mikkola. It won't be as bad as you think it will be. We are putting a lot of trust in our future with Thomas and Kyrou, but hopefully it all works out.

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Jul. 13, 2022 at 4:22 p.m.

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Quoting: aldore

Are you sure? He signed in Detroit at 2x4.75. Also, why would that go out the door? It would be one year of 4.75 harder than it was. Not it’s 3 years of 4M harder. We basically said, you know what’s fun? Having scandella and his contract weigh us down, let’s do it again!

Detroit got 2 years for 4.75 not 3. Blues wanted 3, Perron wanted 5.5-6 for 3 years. Because that contract restricts what we have

Jul. 13, 2022 at 4:23 p.m.

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we still could trade Scandella and sign a forward like Heinen,Janmark,Jarnkrok. But yeah overall not a great day

You gotta hope that’s his plan but still, Perunovich just lost his chance to develop and become the top 4 guy we want him to be. He’s got a 4m player that will cost assets to trade in front of him for 4 years. Our defense got more expensive and worse.

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Jul. 13, 2022 at 4:25 p.m.

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Completely agree. Usually BDD is a mastermind, today though? Master disaster.

Still holding on that he has something cooking up his sleeve, but if not...yikes.

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Jul. 13, 2022 at 4:28 p.m.

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yeah Perron leaving sucks, but the moves today were designed to keep around Thomas and Kyrou for sure. Leddy isn't a horrible deal, he did play well for the Blues when he joined the team. He is a good partner for Parayko in all honesty and the options for that were very slim without moving a lot to acquire a LD through trade. Scandella is hopefully moved at the TDL or next offseason. Blues still need to sign Kostin, Perunovich, and Mikkola. It won't be as bad as you think it will be. We are putting a lot of trust in our future with Thomas and Kyrou, but hopefully it all works out.

I don’t see how signing leddy helps us keep those guys while signing Perron is like a deal breaker in keeping them. And leddy was not good. His playoff xG% was 36%. The other team score 64% more often when he was on the ice. That’s not good. He played good the first game of the playoffs and after that was terrible imo. He is not a good partner for parayko, we need someone who can help him shut down other teams. Leddy doesn’t play a lick of defense. He will get exploited when they try and use them against top lines. It also takes a future spot away from Perunovich in the future or we’ll have a 4M bottom pairing trashcan in years 2-4. And who said the blues wanted 3 and wouldn’t adjust that. Seems unrealistic to me.

Jul. 13, 2022 at 4:28 p.m.

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Quoting: Shylo_Moxii

Detroit got 2 years for 4.75 not 3. Blues wanted 3, Perron wanted 5.5-6 for 3 years. Because that contract restricts what we have

you don't make any sense here. The Blues were dumb not to resign Perron at 2 years and $4.75M. Usually they don't do dumb things though so gotta believe there is another move coming. The Blues now have 8 NHL dmen - Parayko, Krug, Faulk, Leddy, Mikkola, Scandella, Perrunovich, Bortuzzo. Someone is going somewhere. I still don't think Tarasenko is on the team when season starts either.

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Jul. 13, 2022 at 4:31 p.m.

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you don't make any sense here. The Blues were dumb not to resign Perron at 2 years and $4.75M. Usually they don't do dumb things though so gotta believe there is another move coming. The Blues now have 8 NHL dmen - Parayko, Krug, Faulk, Leddy, Mikkola, Scandella, Perrunovich, Bortuzzo. Someone is going somewhere. I still don't think Tarasenko is on the team when season starts either.

Agree with this. And I think it’s smart to move tarasenko, altought now you lost two top 6 RWs if he’s moved. Not sure why we didn’t resign Perron to have kyrou and Perron be our top 6 on the RW and use vladdy to fill that LD whole. Just makes way more sense to me.

Jul. 13, 2022 at 4:40 p.m.

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Quoting: aldore

Agree with this. And I think it’s smart to move tarasenko, altought now you lost two top 6 RWs if he’s moved. Not sure why we didn’t resign Perron to have kyrou and Perron be our top 6 on the RW and use vladdy to fill that LD whole. Just makes way more sense to me.

Yeah again I don't know. Vancouver needs Dmen - maybe he makes a play for JT Miller or something. I also think the Tkachuk smoke is real but not sure Calgary will move him (although if they lose him for nothing also, their GM might as well just leave also)

Jul. 13, 2022 at 4:42 p.m.

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Quoting: aldore

I don’t see how signing leddy helps us keep those guys while signing Perron is like a deal breaker in keeping them. And leddy was not good. His playoff xG% was 36%. The other team score 64% more often when he was on the ice. That’s not good. He played good the first game of the playoffs and after that was terrible imo. He is not a good partner for parayko, we need someone who can help him shut down other teams. Leddy doesn’t play a lick of defense. He will get exploited when they try and use them against top lines. It also takes a future spot away from Perunovich in the future or we’ll have a 4M bottom pairing trashcan in years 2-4. And who said the blues wanted 3 and wouldn’t adjust that. Seems unrealistic to me.

Yeah I don’t love the Leddy deal. If I’m thinking like Armstrong rn I think next year Krug or Tarasenko are gone. I’m extending our captain and Kyrou. I’m signing Perunovich to a 1 year deal and see how well he does. Then seeing if he can make the jump to replace Krug to play alongside Faulk. The top 4 won’t have set lines, they’ll have set matchups. Leddy doesn’t have any clauses, so his contract is moveable to an extent. Parayko needs a puck moving defenseman with him. Instead of having just lockdown guys the Blues need to play with more tempo and speed coming out of the defensive zone. That’s the best way to play against relentless offensive teams. Shutdown guys will help alleviate pressure in the defensive zone for sure, but we gotta start the rush clean and that’s what the Blues liked about Leddy. I think he had some stat about being in the Top 3 for effective defensive zone exits.

Jul. 13, 2022 at 4:50 p.m.

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you don't make any sense here. The Blues were dumb not to resign Perron at 2 years and $4.75M. Usually they don't do dumb things though so gotta believe there is another move coming. The Blues now have 8 NHL dmen - Parayko, Krug, Faulk, Leddy, Mikkola, Scandella, Perrunovich, Bortuzzo. Someone is going somewhere. I still don't think Tarasenko is on the team when season starts either.

if you sign Perron, you don't get an extension out to Kyrou, you don't have a chance at filling some other gaps and you might lose ROR and Vova without replacements

Jul. 13, 2022 at 4:52 p.m.

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Quoting: Shylo_Moxii

if you sign Perron, you don't get an extension out to Kyrou, you don't have a chance at filling some other gaps and you might lose ROR and Vova without replacements

Tarasenko is coming off the books after this season if they don't trade him. There is money there for Kyrou if they want to sign him. I would not give him what Thomas just got though. Think there is a chance that if they go for Tkachuk, Kyrou is main piece to Calgary.

Jul. 13, 2022 at 5:28 p.m.

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Tarasenko is coming off the books after this season if they don't trade him. There is money there for Kyrou if they want to sign him. I would not give him what Thomas just got though. Think there is a chance that if they go for Tkachuk, Kyrou is main piece to Calgary.

and Tkachuk would get even more than what Kyrou would get

Jul. 13, 2022 at 5:32 p.m.

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and Tkachuk would get even more than what Kyrou would get

Yup. And in two years the cap is going to be over $90M. NHL had record revenues last season...

Jul. 13, 2022 at 5:43 p.m.

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Yeah I don’t love the Leddy deal. If I’m thinking like Armstrong rn I think next year Krug or Tarasenko are gone. I’m extending our captain and Kyrou. I’m signing Perunovich to a 1 year deal and see how well he does. Then seeing if he can make the jump to replace Krug to play alongside Faulk. The top 4 won’t have set lines, they’ll have set matchups. Leddy doesn’t have any clauses, so his contract is moveable to an extent. Parayko needs a puck moving defenseman with him. Instead of having just lockdown guys the Blues need to play with more tempo and speed coming out of the defensive zone. That’s the best way to play against relentless offensive teams. Shutdown guys will help alleviate pressure in the defensive zone for sure, but we gotta start the rush clean and that’s what the Blues liked about Leddy. I think he had some stat about being in the Top 3 for effective defensive zone exits.

I mean, I agree he needs someone who can move the puck decently well but leddy is 1 dimensional in that regard. He needs someone who can do both. Leddy is bad to have on the team for this year, let alone the 3 after that. It’s bad cap management. Moving Krug isn’t gonna be easy with his contract and full NMC. And even if we did that, our top 2 LD as that would stand would be Perunovich and leddy? That’s not a championship LD core. I think Perunovich could be a solid second pairing guy just like I think krug is now. Leddy is not a 1st or even 2nd pairing guy. He probably had some top zone exit stat because he allows the other team in the zone so much he was almost destined to be in the top. I hope I’m wrong and leddy turns into a solid player but at 31 and everything I’ve seen, I just don’t have much faith in him.

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Jul. 13, 2022 at 5:59 p.m.

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I mean, I agree he needs someone who can move the puck decently well but leddy is 1 dimensional in that regard. He needs someone who can do both. Leddy is bad to have on the team for this year, let alone the 3 after that. It’s bad cap management. Moving Krug isn’t gonna be easy with his contract and full NMC. And even if we did that, our top 2 LD as that would stand would be Perunovich and leddy? That’s not a championship LD core. I think Perunovich could be a solid second pairing guy just like I think krug is now. Leddy is not a 1st or even 2nd pairing guy. He probably had some top zone exit stat because he allows the other team in the zone so much he was almost destined to be in the top. I hope I’m wrong and leddy turns into a solid player but at 31 and everything I’ve seen, I just don’t have much faith in him.

We will see for sure. Gotta see what happens first and go from there. As it sits after Kostin, Perunovich, and Mikkola sign back, the Blues would presumably be done. I wouldn't mind seeing a Barbashev for JP trade to lock down that 3RW for the foreseeable future. Including that trade, Blues would have:

Buch - ROR - Tarasenko
Saad - Thomas - Kyrou
Neighbours - Schenn - JP
Brown - NA - Kostin/Torp

Krug - Faulk
Leddy - Parayko
Perunovich - Scandella

Binnington - Greiss

Scr. Mikkola and Bortuzzo

Immediate Calls: Walker and Rosen

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Jul. 13, 2022 at 6:18 p.m.

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We will see for sure. Gotta see what happens first and go from there. As it sits after Kostin, Perunovich, and Mikkola sign back, the Blues would presumably be done. I wouldn't mind seeing a Barbashev for JP trade to lock down that 3RW for the foreseeable future. Including that trade, Blues would have:

Buch - ROR - Tarasenko
Saad - Thomas - Kyrou
Neighbours - Schenn - JP
Brown - NA - Kostin/Torp

Krug - Faulk
Leddy - Parayko
Perunovich - Scandella

Binnington - Greiss

Scr. Mikkola and Bortuzzo

Immediate Calls: Walker and Rosen

100% agree with the Barby for JP. I think we look at it in similar ways. It’s just this signing gives us so much less flexibility and locks us into a Dcore that is a bit of a problem. I would have loved to see Perron where you have tarasenko and then flipped tarasenko to somebody for a legit top 2/4 left defensman. Would love to see neighbors succeed and then get some runs at it with the kids or make that line 1 with buch.

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Jul. 13, 2022 at 6:46 p.m.

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Quoting: aldore

100% agree with the Barby for JP. I think we look at it in similar ways. It’s just this signing gives us so much less flexibility and locks us into a Dcore that is a bit of a problem. I would have loved to see Perron where you have tarasenko and then flipped tarasenko to somebody for a legit top 2/4 left defensman. Would love to see neighbors succeed and then get some runs at it with the kids or make that line 1 with buch.

For sure, I think we are on the same page. I would like to have kept Perron and done a trade of Tarasenko for a LD out East. Provy/Sanheim? Graves? But the show must go on, I think we make cost effective moves on the offense from here on out. Kyrou and O’Reilly are just extensions this offseason (at least ROR is). Kyrou should prove a more rounded game and then I’ll pay him. Tkachuk next year as an UFA is an option too. I think we will be just fine.

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Jul. 13, 2022 at 7:10 p.m.

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