Grading hextalls off season

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you traded Marino for a 3rd + one of the worst statistical defensemen in the NHL last year. THEN replaced him with a 34 year old on a terrible contract coming off a terrible year... no grade below B-?

Matheson (one of the Penguins better defensmen last year) is now being replaced my Poj or Smith... you saved a little bit but Marino is better than Petry and Matheson is liley better than either Smith or POJ

grades seem to ignore the risks involved

Jul. 21, 2022 at 3:20 p.m.

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Man you are high on Hextall lol.

I think trading for Petry makes the Rutta signing a D at best. It's wasted cap space that desperately needed to be used on a forward.

I liked the Marino trade for cap space, but then giving that space to Petry just ruined that trade for me haha.

Nino signing for 4mil, Strome signing for 3.5, Domi and Athanasiou signing for 3mil - makes the Kap signing a D at best.

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Jul. 21, 2022 at 3:21 p.m.

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Quoting: Capitalfail67

Marino isn't better than Petry lol. The defense is a wash. Petry > Marino Matheson > POJ/Smith

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Jul. 21, 2022 at 3:30 p.m.

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Quoting: Capitalfail67

The value in smith is in his potential, not what he is right now. Going into that last year, NHLe projected him as a 92% chance of becoming a star (I think, it may have been 89%). He also played last year on a poorly coached, bad team on a pair with PK subban. Todd Reirden has proved he is good at coaching poor analytical defensemen.

You also ignore the risk with Marino, he had 2 goals in his last 118 games or so. That contract has the potential to look pretty rough.

Don’t know how on earth Petry had a terrible year. His numbers weren’t great on the Ducharme Habs, but that team was on pace to become one of the worst teams in nhl history with no offensive weapons. Once MSL took over, he had 21 points in 30 games and his analytics were solid on the year as a whole. He is an excellent player and is a clear upgrade over Marino.

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Jul. 21, 2022 at 3:36 p.m.

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Ruuta can play both sides and is a great pick up. If we trade one of Dumo or pettersson he can slide right over.

Petry is an excellent player and is a fine use of cap space. We still came out making cap space after both moves too.

As for the 4 players you listed, Nino signed in no state tax Nashville so we would have had to pay more, athanasiou and domi are going for the opportunity to play high in the lineup next year and get more next summer (also hoping to be traded at TDL), you are also making the assumption that all these players would want to sign in Pitt which could not be true for countless reasons

I am very high on hextalls work this summer. Not so much as a whole. I still hate him for letting mccan go. But this summer I love what he’s done (I am assuming he isn’t done though)

Jul. 21, 2022 at 3:47 p.m.

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Quoting: JSEB93

Marino isn't better than Petry lol. The defense is a wash. Petry > Marino Matheson > POJ/Smith

lol okay. Id argue Petry isnt an upgrade over Matheson... Penguins made a ton of dumb moves.

Jul. 21, 2022 at 3:57 p.m.

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I think this is pretty fair, considering that another move is probably yet to come. I think it's only a matter of time before they add another forward. The more I think about it I love the Petry and Marino trades. Petry is a great player, once Martin St. Louis took over in Montreal he had like 23 points in 30 games. He's a top D man playing on our second pair which makes the right side insanely stacked. Takes the pressure off of him and Letang too. Just a great move all around.

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Jul. 21, 2022 at 4:00 p.m.

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lol okay. Id argue Petry isnt an upgrade over Matheson... Penguins made a ton of dumb moves.

Petry put up similar points and analytics on a FAR worse canadiens team, while having a much better track record for past success, and being far more physical, and more defensively reliable.

Management is also thinking this season is an outlier from matheson which is very possible. I could see him regressing a bit next year.

https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1548389741694894085?s=21&t=wwXB2nMpD8pjZ_e8JCv8fg

If you look at the graph in the top right, you can see his WAR percentile rank per year. Notice the rapid upward trajectory. You could argue it to be a breakout year, but after watching him in Pitt I am siding with management in saying he probably regresses (could only be slightly) next year.

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Jul. 21, 2022 at 4:01 p.m.

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Quoting: Hullsy09

Wasn't a bad idea to sell on Matheson while his stock was high. I love Matheson and it sucks we had to trade him, but Petry is the better player.

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Jul. 21, 2022 at 4:03 p.m.

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Yes. One more forward move and he secures a strong ‘A’ grade. If a St. Louis - Calgary trade occurs for Tkachuk we should be right in the middle of it because I think I could list off 10 forwards from those teams that I would want. Lindholm being the holy grail (if we could acquire him for a package which only includeds one 1st rounder, in addition to other pieces of course)

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Jul. 21, 2022 at 4:05 p.m.

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Wasn't a bad idea to sell on Matheson while his stock was high. I love Matheson and it sucks we had to trade him, but Petry is the better player.

I will miss Mike. I liked him a lot

He is a future “chaos player” hall of famer tho haha. Will skate up the ice like Bobby Orr than go down and get 4 pucks deflected into his own net. He is also the strongest, and weakest player on the ice somehow. He is the Mike smith of defensemen

Jul. 21, 2022 at 4:06 p.m.

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I agree, I would take like 5-6 of the players on the Flames haha.

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Jul. 21, 2022 at 4:06 p.m.

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I was happy and also pissed when I saw the trade haha. I knew it was a good trade and the right one to make, but sucked to see Matheson going the other way. He was so fun to watch with his insane skating.

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Jul. 21, 2022 at 5:01 p.m.

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Rutta is an okay pickup in a vacuum. But it's not a great pick up if you're a team that has no cap space, an already good defense, and serious issues at forward. It's actually very bad.

Petry is a great player - wouldn't say an excellent use of cap space though. Yeah but the only reason we needed to make that cap space was because we wasted it on Rutta and Kapanen.

PA's state tax is 3% - that's 120K lol. So not only does that have no effect on the Pens being able to afford him, but he probably wouldn't have even cared to lose that 120K. Yes, it's an assumption - and a perfectly fair one to make. There's no reason to think those players wouldn't come to the Pens for the same amount of money. The team is worse now then at the end of the year so I can't be happy with what he's done - but obviously hoping for the best

Jul. 21, 2022 at 5:03 p.m.

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Quoting: Capitalfail67

lol okay. Id argue Petry isnt an upgrade over Matheson... Penguins made a ton of dumb moves.

He definitely is better than Matheson as well. I think they've made some bad moves - don't get me wrong. And I'm not saying the Petry trade was great at all - but if we are comparing him 1v1 against Matheson or Marino - he's clearly better

Jul. 23, 2022 at 12:43 p.m.

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34... coming off a bad year? i dont htink so Petry sucks at defending the rush and thats literally the Penguins biggest need defensively

Jul. 23, 2022 at 2:10 p.m.

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34... coming off a bad year? i dont htink so Petry sucks at defending the rush and thats literally the Penguins biggest need defensively

Not sure what makes you say petry had a bad year. His analytics were very solid on the year as a whole, and he had 21 points in 30 games once MSL took over

Jul. 23, 2022 at 2:57 p.m.

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Not sure what makes you say petry had a bad year. His analytics were very solid on the year as a whole, and he had 21 points in 30 games once MSL took over

49.49cf% 49.13ff% 49.16xgf% 17 takeaways and 107 giveaways... yikes

51.83cf% 52.46ff% 51.48xgf% 43 takeaways 37 giveaways... wow + turnover ratio

tell me how in a season you are a -90 in turnover ratio and you say it wasnt terrible?

Jul. 23, 2022 at 3:24 p.m.

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https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1548388259134246912?s=21&t=uc_MEL0sLD-G1m8gpvcHWA

https://twitter.com/arhockeystats/status/1548409500599607296?s=21&t=uc_MEL0sLD-G1m8gpvcHWA

Guess it all depends on which analytics you look at

Jul. 25, 2022 at 9:08 a.m.

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34... coming off a bad year? i dont htink so Petry sucks at defending the rush and thats literally the Penguins biggest need defensively

If the first thing you say is a person's age I feel like you have a very weak argument. And yes - Petry is better than Matheson. It's pretty much a consensus. You didn't really even try to argue that - and that was my whole point.

Jul. 25, 2022 at 12:25 p.m.

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Petry had 107 turnovers last year and 17 takeaways... age is important with context bc most 34 years olds arent going to have a bad year then magically turn it around...unlike a 22-26 year old. common sense

Jul. 25, 2022 at 2:02 p.m.

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