Starting to think Pacioretty was injured this whole time and that’s why he was traded for nothing. As far as the trade I have no idea how much 1 year of Kane costs. But ideally you get Chicago to take Gardiner so they don’t have to worry about that down the line.

I had a similar post. Think value is in ballpark depending on when trade is done. Might as well swap Gardiner with Bear and up the pick. Retention pick might need to be a bit higher with Yotes as well.

Think there’s a decent chance this offer gets beat but Kane also has a lot of control over where he goes. So if he wants to come to Canes for a cup shot or only wants to go to a couple of teams maybe that makes this the best offer.

Chicago deserves much more than that for giving up a great player at 25%

He should be back in at least 3 months if Carolina is lucky

Believe it genuinely happened yesterday. I don’t have proof that I can share and it’s certainly a possibility but based on what I’ve heard it was a freak occurrence.

High level projection is 6 months right now but wouldn’t be surprised if it was longer than that given the severity

It's an achilies tear. That's minimum 6 months

This is the deal I’d want:

Gardiner
Ryan Suzuki
2023 1st
2024 2nd

Then you have to pay AZ more than a lousy 6th round pick to eat 2.75 million in salary

He was on the ice earlier this month, and he wouldn't be skating with a torn achillies during the summer.

See... here's the thing. I don't think Carolina would have to pay it. Look at the Domi trade. Carolina knew Columbus wanted to move Domi for anything and Columbus paid for the retention.

I think this is a similar position. No contender that Kane is going to waive for has the cap to trade for him at 50%. So if Chicago wants that kind of return for him, they need to either pay for the retention or take back more cap than they give out. Just my thoughts. Might be entirely wrong, but there's a precedent for this as it is.

It said 3-6 months

Don Waddell, President and General Manager of the National Hockey League's Carolina Hurricanes, today announced that forward Max Pacioretty will undergo surgery to repair a torn Achilles. The procedure will be performed by Dr. Kevin Logel at Raleigh Orthopaedic on Wednesday. Pacioretty's expected recovery time is six months.

It said 6 months. Nothing about 3 months

Max Domi is a footnote. Kane is a Hall of Famer. That’s a really bad comparison. Chicago is retaining 5.25 million AND taking on a useless contract like Gardiner for another 4 million. You better be giving them something back

You're the one compairing the players. Not the money. Money doesn't care if you're a hall of famer or a no body. If Chicago want that kind of return for him instead of seeing him walk away in free agency because he won't want to sit through a rebuild, they will need to move him. Everyone knows that. Toews already basically came out in the Athletic and said he wants out. Kane is supposedly in a similar boat. Kane's NMC means he has to waive and you can't dump him to just anyone. If you want a good return for him, you're likely going to need a 3 team trade. With that said, if you want that kind of return, you're likely going to see Chicago being the team that pays for the secondary retention. Who cares if Chicago give up a 3rd for some extra retention when they get a 1st + 2nd + prospect? That's my point. Trying to act like it isn't possible is just not smart.

And Chicago isn't the one taking Gardiner on here, who isn't a useless player by any means.

That’s all you’d want? That’s a worse offer imo and helps the Canes more. Bear and Gunler are much more valuable than Gardiner and Suzuki. The 4 to a 2 doesn’t make up for that but as a canes fan I’d gladly accept.

Then let him walk. It’s better than getting junk like that offer above. Bear is not any good. That 1st will result in an average player at best and a 4th? It’s insulting and I’d let him play the last year in Chicago before being slapped in the face.

Bear sucks and Gunler is a nobody prospect. Suzuki isn’t anything special and Gardiner isn’t anything either. I’d want a 2nd over a 4th. A 4th rounder is usually a nobody. At least a 2nd gives you a chance at an NHLer

Like I said, Canes gladly accept. Bear has more value than Gardiner. He may not have a ton of value but could likely be moved for a mid to late pick whereas Gardiner would be a cap dump. Gunler is a much better prospect than Suzuki at this stage of their careers unless you’re solely looking at where they were initially dragged. He’s probably a B/B+ prospect whereas Suzuki is maybe a C+. A lot of that has been driven by unfortunate injuries but they still happened.

Either way, gladly accept your counter.

Did you really just call Noel Gunler a nobody prospect? Gunler is a better prospect than Suzuki. At this point, you have proven you don't know the Canes farm system. Stop it.

I don’t care about your farm system. Picks matter. Both of those players will be forgotten nobodies in a few years time. You people here all act like your favourite prospect is going to dominate the league. Most of them are footnotes and nothing more

Whatever you say. I'm sure 2nd round pick that didn't come straight into the NHL sebastian Aho is a footnote. Or Seth Jarvis is a nobody. Jaccob Slavin 4th rounder is a no body. Brett Pesce 3rd rounder is a no one. Absolutely no ones. I'm sure of it. Ignore the fact that most experts have the Canes prospect pool at #2 in terms of prospects projected to make the NHL without a clear top prospect, but cool buddy. Whatever you say.

This doesn’t make a ton of sense. Picks turn into prospects..would think you’d want the better prospect regardless of whether you care about another teams farm team.

Especially for CHI fans right now they should care about other teams farm systems since it’s likely they’ll be moving some of their NHL talent for those very prospects.

Teams want to pick their own players, hence why draft picks mean more than prospects.

So teams don’t want good prospects if they can get a late second rounder instead? I agree that picks are valuable but saying prospects that are highly rated aren’t valuable because their own team didn’t draft them is an overly simplistic take.

You just picked your best players you drafted. All teams draft at least some good players. There’s nothing special about drafting good players. Cup winning teams draft a core and build around that core with trades or free agents most of the time. Look at how many players Colorado had that they didn’t draft