Why make that Dubois trade? Insane to give up on Roy. With a little power skating work he can turn into a really great top 6 prospect.

As for Dach, we don't know what he is yet. Let's give him 1 year with MSL to see where he nets out?

Also why are we trading for Chychrun? You have traded 3 B+ prospects for 1 player who I honestly think is overrated. Why would we do this?

This is a pretty nice looking roster to me for a team that is garbage right now

I doubt your even getting bedard, the worst team in the nhl as of right now looks like it may be Chicago or Arizona still.

Price if he doesn't go on LTIR, kinda unravels the plan due to the cap.

He seems like he might be next year’s version of Tuukka Rask. It sucks tbh.

Extremely unlikely the Jets trade Dubois for such a poor return when they easily get more at the TDL. It's also unlikely Dubois signs a below market extension.

Sabres don't need left d at all. Certainly not enough to trade a second for additional depth

Adam Fantilli will be just fine!

This is better than what you will get of you trade him as a rental. I doubt he get traded to Montreal at all. My prediction is after the Habs draft a Center next draft who clearly projects to be better than him, Dubois re-signs in Winnipeg.

Horrible Chychrun trade. Even if you were to remove 1/3 pieces Mtl is sending, it's still a bad trade.
Chychrun/Guhle 1for1 is fair. (But I wouldn't do it if I were Mtl).

You think Dahlin & Power got it covered?... Seems thin to me... Better get Edmundson to show them a thing or two.

Okay, so you're new to hockey and you're in for a treat. Near the end of the season the NHL has the trade deadline (last day trades can be made that allow the player to be eligible for the playoffs). At that time ordinary players routinely go for a first, so a good player like Dubois normally go for a first and a good prospect.

As you can see from that, the players offered here are nowhere near that value, so there isn't any chance the Jets give Dubois away for nothing when they can get quality prospects and picks that are far better in return.

Oh Windjammer... Making it personal is beneath you isn't it?
Dach = 13th overall (as per his trade at the draft where as you would typically get a 1st in the bottom 10)
Roy = a good prospect as he lead the QMJHL in scoring last season with 119 points as an 18 year old.
Got any more "facts" to help educate me?

How is that making it personal? I thought you truly didn't know about the trade deadline. Why else would you suggest that the Jets take far less that they would get at the TDL?

Dach was drafted 3 years ago. Where he was drafted is meaningless. He's worth maybe a 2nd now.

Roy is a longshot to make the NHL. Every trans had those types of guys. Maybe worth a 3rd or less.

Did those facts help educate you? The best thing you can do for productive discussions is take your obvious Montreal bias out and try and look at things objectively.

It's obvious the offer isn't close.

Sir I will grant you the respect that you so rarely grant to others and keep my thoughts on the kind of person who would respond so disrespectfully to me twice to myself.

That being said...

I will let Dach's play in 2022-23 speak for itself, but clearly most of the GMs in the NHL as well as the analytics community in general disagree with you.

As for Roy... It seems Team Canada at the WJC also disagrees with you. So you and your obvious mastery of hockey knowledge and player valuations seem to be batting 0-2.

To hell with it, I'm sure you know more than all of those terrific hockey people. That's why the Jets will win the Cup this year, Windjammer will show them the way!

How was I being disrespectful? I was simply asking you a question? Why would Winnipeg trade Dubois for less than he gets as a TDL rental?

This is for 23-24, so I could see your argument if you were saying Dach was coming of a great year, but you didn't. I'm basing it on what Dach is now. A player that his drafting team gave up on.

Roy playing at the WJC doesn't mean a lot either. There are a long line of players that look good in that tournament that never make it to the NHL. He's 5th round pick. He's a long shot.

The discussion had been fun so far. I was trying to get you to make a fact based rebuttal, as opposed to a "you like these players so they are valuable, even though nothing factual supports that" rebuttal.

So, I'll all again. What would be the logical reason for Winnipeg to move Dubois at a fraction of his market value?

Dahlin, power, Samuelsson, Bryson and on and on.

Nice try

I attempted sarcasm... But I guess you need to be a Seinfeld to pull that off...

I shot the clerk

That's just sad sir. Yes "you could not possibly have known whether I had heard of the trade deadline." This is just thinly veiled attempt to call me stupid. I do not like bullies. I will tell you flat out that you acted like one. Pull up your socks sir!

I don't feel the need to re-iterate what I previously wrote in a way that defends it with numbers. You can go look up the rankings of the top 100 centers in the league. You can look at the WAR scores and draw your own conclusions.

I will simply point out that you are asking me for fact-based validation when you yourself have not provided any.

You have provided no evidence that Roy is a bad prospect. You have simply said that some players in the WJC playing for team Canada do not make the NHL. How many of those scored 119 points in the QMJHL as an 18 year old?

You have provided no evidence that Dach is a bad player. His value is based on what an NHL GM was willing to pay for him which was a 13th overall pick. You don't think he's worth that? Based on what evidence? How are you valuing things? I speculate that most NHL GMs would have given up their 11-15th picks to get Dach if they knew he was gettable. But the fact that a team that is clearly rebuilding traded him for a very good asset is not the same as "giving up on him". They gave up on their team as a whole, and he was one of the easiest pieces to move and bring back the value they were asking. That is an endorsement of his qualities sir.

I never said either player was a bad player. Just that they don't have the value to other teams that you think they have. The Jets are far better off getting a first and a good prospect at the TDL for Dubois than this offer. Unless, of course Dach lights it up next year and makes it a conversation.

As it stands with what we know now, the Jets don't consider this offer. The quality just isn't there.