Is there a point in rushing him? Seems counter productive for a team who won't really be competing to rush an 18 year old defenseman.

I was just making this as I have seen on Ducks Twitter and whatnot the discussion of does he make it, does he go to Europe, does he stay in juniors

Essentially just trying to make him succeed with a decent bigger tough partner letting him do his thing

I agree he should not be rushed but if Verbeek does this, I’m not arguing with him

Dallas doesn't have the roster space for Shattenkirk, and they can shed Khudobin's contract without giving up a 1st

I think Shaaty is worth a 2nd 50% retained plus eating Khudobin’s contract makes it a 1st — my thought process

I think trading Shatty at 50% retained for a second makes sense IF you take back salary. Just not with Dallas. I’ve been working on a Shattenkirk (50% retained) for Myers, TBL 2024 3rd round pick and a 2023 7th round pick (Via Anaheim). But I wasn’t comfortable posting it cause idk what TBL’s plans with Myers r.

If the Isles traded Varly and Khudobin was cleared to play I’d be interested in taking him on tbh. Maybe something like Khudobin and a 3rd for Panik?

Well, if Capfriendly history has taught me anything.

If it's a good trade, you'll get laughed at because people value their players differently.

If it's a bad trade, you'll be torn to shreds.

He’s on a sliding scale and he’s an undersized d man. Send him back to juniors and don’t burn a year. It isn’t worth it.

I wouldn’t be a fan of that deal imo — maybe without Myers coming back? I don’t see him having anything but negative value to Anaheim honestly

Probably what will happen but I think he gets 9 games for sure

Just made it because I have seen so many discussions about what will happen and different scenarios

The kid is phenomenal. That being said one of my buddies keeps asking me if he’s Renee Zellweger’s kid and he’s driving me up the wall lol.

The kid is too good for junior, doing that wastes of year of his development. Unfortunately the one place he needs to play (the AHL) is the one place he can't play so the Ducks are left picking from two bad options.

You don’t want to burn a year like the isles did with Dobson. It costs dollars and he may not play much.

I agree

NHL - probably to young and not fully ready, could possibly stunt his growth as what happened to Fowler and probably Drysdale
AHL - too young, absolutely best option
WHL - he is past juniors and needs more competition and can create some bad habits
Europe - going for a year could just be a distraction moving away for a year and the big ice probably doesn’t help his game coming back all that much

It’s such a tough spot

Imo 9 games in the NHL, juniors and if at the end of the year the AHL is still going, send him down to SD and get some more AHL reps in (but actually play unlike the is last year!)

I'm not arguing for or against him making the team. More just lamenting that the rules preventing him from playing in the AHL suck. The only good thing to come out of the pandemic was kids like Drysdale playing in the AHL.

FWIW, the Ducks have a history of putting highly drafted defensemen straight into the NHL. Fowler, Lindholm, Drysdale (kind of), etc. Of course that was Murray at the helm not Verbeek so we'll see how this all plays out.

I poked around cap friendly for expiring RD contracts that are large enough that the team might be willing to do a Col 2023 2nd to their 2023 first in order to save the cash.

Dumba from MIN, not a great fit but they are in cap hell, however MIN seems to understand they are working through a rebuild on the fly and covet their first round picks more than Stanley Cup dreams. unlikely to make the deal go through. Dumba cant be seen as any sort of cap dump either, however if he and MIN decide to part ways, sending shatty for him and some mid round pick coming back might be worth the audition cost. Would be a better pair with Fowler on the top pair to replace Klingberg when he ships out. He does have that 10 team no trade list though, which the California teams are usually all on, but maybe he dropped one of them to add Vegas instead.

Burns from CAR, way more term than I want to touch, and CAR picked him up for a specific reason, but at ~5.3 mil for three more years, not the absolute worst in the world if we need to bury him. San Jose retaining a good bit has some nice irony to it, but again, guy is as big of a defensive liability as Klingberg is. Not sure if this deal would make any sense on Carolinas side since they've lost patches until late in the season and probably prefer the offense Burns brings.

Johnson from COL, probably the most difficult to get done, but potentially the most desirable from our side, they save 4 mil and swap their first down to their own second. Probably the worst 1st round pick next year but 32nd overall still has someone decent laying about. Might be easiest for Col to stomach knowing that pick will be in the 30s as well. Hardest part will be his 19 team no trade list.

The Dallas deal you propose might work if we take either Miller or Hakanpaa back the other way as well, to clear a spot at RD. it would be a cap neutral upgrade for the RD they send our way, and they clear out Khudobbin's contract (looks like he is cleared to play this season) to allow for resigning Otter. Drop our 2nd if this is the case. I'd personally like to have Hakanpaa back, wish we hadn't traded him out, though at the time I understand why we moved him.

Those are really the only partners I can find that I think make any sense at this point, and not that many of them make that much sense.

Yeah I don't think that the value is too far off or anything like that, I just don't think that the Stars need Shattenkirk and that they'd be better off finding a team to take Khudobin for something less than a first

I'm not sure Europe is a realistic option for Zellweger since those leagues start up soon. If the Ducks were in favor of that I think they'd have him signed somewhere by now. Not to mention that's pretty rare, if not unheard of, for a NA player who's already with an NHL organization. He sure seems like he's too good for the Dub but would absolutely lighting up a junior league be worse for his development than potentially getting buried in the lineup of an NHL team for a year? Having said that though, if he's clearly better than Mahura and Benoit in camp than he should at least get a look. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see this kid get 9 games before heading back to the Dub and then having a Bobby Orr-like season on the stat sheet.