I would switch Copp for Adam Lowry. He's a much more physical player and stats are very similar. I like these moves!

I'm trying to work something out with Dallas as well. It seems like theres a real possibility for a win/win scenario. That being said, I think you're overpaying for 3 OA. I could be wrong of course but I think 2017 1st (DET) + Nyquist could get us 2017 1st (DAL) + more all by itself. I don't think you need to add in a 2017 3rd from our end. Nyquist is a bonafide top line distributor/playmaker that almost got to 50 points on a crappy team; plus you have him for NEXT year too...just my $0.02.

I don't know enough about PHI or WPG to justify commenting much on those trades although I will say that you have a LOT of salary going to WPG...even with 25% retention on Howie.

You're probably right with overpaying. Somebody else posted a DAL Team with the same trade minus the 3rd rounder. I guess I'd rather overpay to guarantee the deal than walk away without a chance at a top-3 pick.

Good point on salaries. Somebody had DET eating $2M on DDK, but I'm not doing that for 5 years... Maybe $750k or something to bring him closer to his true market value.

As for Copp vs. Lowry, it really comes down to whoever WPG wants less. I'm just trying to help them out (taking on this contract, retaining salary, expansion draft considerations, etc) in order to justify Trouba.

So the jets are giving up the best dmen and forward in this deal for a goalie that has been bad for 3 season but played ok for 28ish games? How in any world does this make sense for the jets?

Copp Sheahan
48.58 CF% 46.02 CF%
55.87 xGF% 44.3 xGF%
56.1 GF% 33.33 GF%
54.24 FO% 52.13 FO%
.75 G/60 .07 G/60
1.4 P/60 .66 P/60

Trouba Dekeyser
49.81 CF% 46.81 CF%
50.91 xGF% 46.21 xGF%
49.00 GF% 41.67 GF%
.27 G/60 .13 G/60
1.24 P/60 .39 P/60

Like at 5vs5 these players arent even a little close in value

Junior - I assume you're a Jets fan? Please help me to alter the trade if that's how you feel. Unfortunately Blashill did a terrible job in managing his roster this year, so DDK/Sheahan/everybody on our roster except Zetterberg (and Howard) did terrible. I won't try to convince you on past years for any of these guys, but Howard's the best option WPG has right now unless you can find a way to trade for Fleury.

I referenced Copp and DDK in the trade per many other WPG Armchair GM teams. Comrie and Petan were other names thrown out there. I didn't just throw him on there because I really want him; I did it to try to help WPG of whatever the reason is that many fans are trying to get rid of him.

Honestly, if we narrowed down the trade to Howard (retain $) + Sheahan for Hutchinson + Copp, I think DET loses that deal; maybe a 3rd rounder would help to even it. So then it's Trouba for DDK + low 2nd round pick + 3rd on top of that.

If I were trading player for player for it to be close in value from that perspective, I wouldn't have retained salary or added the picks.

I don't think I'd retain anything on DDK. If someone wants him and wants to give a reasonable return and take a chance on him, great; but I'm not counting on it. His stock is so low these days. Plus, not to complicate things too much, I don't think WPG defensive prospects are all that enticing??? They seam pretty thin after the guys they had in with the big club this year (Junior feel free to contradict me here; I am by no means an expert on the Jets' farm system). So, unless Trouba is just going to be a constant headache during his tenure in Winnipeg I don't see why they would move him??? I think that's part of the reason why they've asked for a top 4 D in any possible return package...

Problem is the wings don't have the assets to make a trade with the jets work. Also Halak, Elliot etc lots of much better option for the jets in goal. Even the players like Larkin and Mantha that have the most value the jets have a lot of. I just don't see the jets and wings as good trading partners. The jets have 2 major needs a cost effective 1B type goalie for a 1-2yr and a young top 4 LHD thats cost controlled. I see DDK as a 5 thats expensive.

Xavier Ouellet?

Or I could change this deal all around by adding Green, if that's interesting (though it doesn't help you with the expansion draft issue).

Ouellet is definitely a solid second pairing guy. He is young and cost controlled (for two or three more years at least). Ouellet could be valuable in a trade; although maybe not this particular one. Green, on the other hand, doesn't really fit what WPG is trying to accomplish. He's on the wrong side of 30, on the books for $6million, and could bolt after 17/18...not exactly what a young, up-and-coming team is looking for.

I think until we see if Hicketts, Hronek, Saarijarvi, and Cholowski pan out, Ouellet or DDK is the closest thing we have to what the Jets are looking for in return for Trouba (and neither of them get it done). By the time we know anything about the aforementioned prospects Trouba will be demanding $5-8 million/year on his next deal.

the issue for the wings is if Trouba is on the table likely the jets ask for Mantha or Larkin to be part of the package coming back.

Here's a problem with the WPG-DRW trade. Since it's done pre-expansion draft, WPG will probably wind up exposing (and losing) DDK to VGK. Not much of a trade then.

I say no as a flyers fan, I don't think the value is bad just the wrong way round (in terms of moving a prospect Dman to a young forward out of phi) and I'd be reluctant to do this without getting a full season from Morin in the NHL to see what he can do on the big stage and I think the drop down in draft pick I to much as its nearly 50 places. If the pick could be moved to a low 2nd or high 3rd (no bigger that a 25-30 place drop) swap Morin for manning and upgrade read for cousins/raffl, you got yourself a deal

Appreciate the feedback!


Are you referring to Read as the young forward? He'll be 31 when the season starts, making him older than Raffl and Cousins (noted below).


I'll swap the CHI 3rd (#88) for the FLA 3rd (#71).


I want Morin in this deal. And I'm curious why you suggest Cousins/Raffl instead of Read? The SBNation sites I've looked at (including Broadstreet hockey) suggest Read should be a candidate to expose in the expansion draft to rid the team of his contract so I figured he'd be the least valuable to PHI of the three. I'm not really as big on Raffl or Cousins because their roles would be redundant on our roster, though that's not why I selected Read.

So that brings us to: Tatar + 3rd (FLA) for Morin + 2nd (PHI) + Read. I'd be willing to flip you a 6th on top of this, or modify it to include one of our younger D (Russo or Sproul), and/or get Abdelkader, Helm, or Sheahan into the mix.