It's so annoying it makes us leaf fans look bad, i am tired of people ****ty on the leafs because of fans like Jared

And the knuckles dude genuinely said: good or bad isn’t opinion. Then he tried to say, “I’m right because my post got a like.”

He’s insane.

We're all tired of the internet in general being this way

Okay seriously, is there a language barrier here? When did i jump on his bandwagon? I don’t even know what his point is,

I think he was more so doing it to try and show Jared that more people agree with him but i agree it's kind of a dumb thing to argue about

Thinking maybe you should have that cake and eat it

I'm a big fan of when people go after spelling errors, the most classic of the "i have nothing" internet arguing tropes

Yet im not on your ignore list. Odd

You need two people to have something to argue about i am just typing to a hat rack

Our discussion had nothing to do with the Jared stuff. I said OEL is okay but his contract is bad. He came on and said i was factually incorrect for saying he’s okay.

That’s insanity.

I mean, I get that different calibers of players have different expectations for what their talent ceiling is and what a reasonable baseline performance level is, but once that is established, their is no subjectivity in the evaluation of a certain player's performance

Well he’s gotta engage in this arguments so he can get his likes.

Weird to be concerned about a hat rack making leafs fans look bad

You do not understand the definition of subjective, evaluation, opinion, and performance then.

Best way to get likes here is to disagree with or insult a leafs player or fan

I understand that performance evaluation most certainly isn't subjective in regard to it's impact on in-game play. Different people can value that player's on-ice contributions to different extents, but it doesn't change the actual value of what that player brings on the ice with whatever their tool set is

If my arguments were thoughtless and ill-conceived, I wouldn't be getting those likes now would I

Lol, he really does believe it

Just give it up. Nobody is saying OEL is a top pair d man. Nobody is saying he has a good contract. He is perfectly reasonable to say that he is a decent second pair d man with improved defense. Just because you refuse to listen to anybody, doesn't make your opinion right. Tell me how many Canucks games you watched this year

Nah, i just dont listen to people who tell me things like oel being good despite him not being good. Not a fan of giving in to peer pressure.
And dude weve been over the games watched thing. I tell you i watched a lot and you call me a liar because you cant fathom that your eye test stinks, which it does

Damn it was just a question guys hahaha, didn't expect to wake up to 5 pages of notifications

21-22 in VAN:


WAR/60 shows he was pretty solid, with shooting and PP being the only categories where he was below average. EV offense and defense are both above average, which are the most important categories for D men imo

Then looking at his WAR/60 changing over time:


Shows what a lot of people were saying - he was very bad his last year in ARZ and bounced back nicely in 21-22 with VAN. His defense took a big step forward compared to his previous seasons

Then looking at his impact on xG relative to teammates:


It shows pretty much the same trend as the WAR/60 shows. Pretty big increase in performance the last year. Plus his 5v5 xGF% was 50.55%, 3rd highest on the team among D, behind only Brad Hunt and Travis Dermott who only played 17 games for them

So he was better than his team mates on one of the worst defensive teams in the league? Being better than luke schenn, tucker poolman and tyler myers isnt a great measuring stick

No, WAR percentiles are among all defensemen in the league, not just Vancouver D men. xG data was the only thing that was relative to his teammates. And VAN was not one of the worst defensive teams in the league - they were 16th in xGA/60 and 2nd in GA/60 at 5v5, and were 8th in GA/GP in all situations

Thats not how WAR works...